Podcast co-host and co-editor of the book ⁠From White Folks Who Teach in the Hood⁠, sam seidel speak speaks with Marguerite W. Penick and Kyle P. Steele. Marguerite is a professor of educational leadership and policy at the University of Wisconsin–Oshkosh and a co-editor of several books, including The Guide for White Women Who Teach Black Boys and Teaching Beautiful Brilliant Black Girls. Kyle is an assistant professor in the Department of Leadership, Literacy, and Social Foundations at the University of Wisconsin–Oshkosh. Together, they are the authors of an essay in From White Folks Who Teach in the Hood. In the essay, titled “Whiteness Upon Whiteness,” Marguerite and Kyle share stories and lessons from their work to challenge white and middle-class notions of what K–12 teaching and learning should look like in favor of more inclusive alternatives, and to help the student teachers they train to do the same. In this episode, they talk with sam about their experiences going from being students in largely white schools to teachers in largely BIPOC schools to professors of education in a largely white teacher education program.

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This episode was edited by Isabel Huff.