INTERESTING BUT REPETITIOUS

Would you try another book from Adrienne Mayor and/or Fran Tunno?

NARRATIVE LIMITED TO AMAZON CULTURE IN THE STEPPE REGIONS AND ANCIENT GREECE. WAY TOO MUCH REPETITION AND DETAILED CULTURAL AND ARCHAEOLOGICAL DATA. NO COMMENTARY ABOUT WARRIOR WOMEN IN OTHER COUNTRIES OR MORE RECENT TIMES.

What was the most interesting aspect of this story? The least interesting?

MOST EDUCATIONAL ASPECT WAS INFO ABOUT MANY OF THE HISTORICAL CIVILIZATIONS OF CENTRAL ASIA--STEPPE TRIBES, PERSIA, THRACE, MACEDONIA AND ALEXANDER THE "GREAT."

Was Amazons worth the listening time?

YES BUT COULD HAVE BEEN MORE CONCISE

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From Penthesilea to Wonder Woman

Heads up - There is an enormous amount of information about Amazonian tribes surrounding the Black Sea as well as warrior women across the globe. Although the duration was daunting, it was never boring as it explored what the ancient world considered Amazonian and how relatively normal it was. Due to a class assignment on Wonder Woman and Amazonian history, I rummaged extensively in this book. I definitely got my money's worth. You will too.

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Good research

Good info, but why refer to the plates and figures in the book if you don’t include a .pdf with them?

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Amazons were real, and kicked ass.

If you are a fan of Adrienne Mayor and have read any of her other books you know the E ticket ride you are in for. While not quite up to "The Poison King" (but what is?) this is a fascinating bit of history done as Sherlock Holmes who done it.

In this detective work Mayor use the results of archeological digs, ancient histories, and other tools to build up a story of the lost Scythian tribe that became to be known as the semi mythical Amazons.

It is quite the bit of sleuthing as the author weaves together tattoos, funerary items, skeletons from long lost graves and the most modern DNA analysis to bring the Amazons out of the mythic mists and the bias of the Greek reportage of the day and create living, breath, if a bit odd to modern eyes, Steppe warriors. And if you know anything about the ancient Steppe warriors of Central to West Asia you know you are dealing with some awesome, if rather frightening people. These people could rip you head off without as much as a "how do you do" if given proper motivation.

But sometime these people made love, not war and that too is, well, different from what you would expect. They were rather liberal and rather egalitarian about who they bedded down with, as long a their paramours were sufficiently willing to crack skulls for the tribe.

These were some larger than life woman with some larger than life stories to tell. It's great that Ms. Myers was able to retell their tales to a modern audience.

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Missed the pictures!

I loved listening to the book. The story is compelling. The main issue was the lack of the numerous figures listed in the book which could have given more visual understanding to the narrative.

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Not a fictional novel, but wow!

The narrator is great. It can’t be easy narrating... well, a historical text. Pronunciations of all those names, places and tribes of all those languages, is beyond impressive. Seriously, she didn’t skip a beat (which is what I expect👍🏽).

This is 2017, times have changed since I studied history in school (thank the Gods). She writes with a modern tone without being flippant. It’s officious without being pretentious, overbearing and most importantly, without being boring.

IMHO, history isn’t indisputable facts. It’s old stories with probable cause. Tell me what’s more probable than not, without pretending it’s indisputable and I’m good.

There’s SO much info in this book; I’ll need to reread and rehear it a few times. Maybe if you’re already very familiar with the legends, you will breeze through. Being humbled myself, it was still easy enough to follow.

Ah to the author, thank you for writing this book. Thank you for digging so deeply into the nooks and crannies.

Worth every minute.

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Into the Myths and Far Beyond Them

Adrienne Mayor impressed me with her book Greek Fire, Poison Arrows, & Scorpion Bombs. To have her tackle the subject of the Amazons, a subject of personal fascination to me... suffice it to say, I expected big things. And I got bigger things.

Beginning with the myths of Atalanta, this book quickly delves into the historical and often contradictory accounts behind the legends through critical examination of archaeological evidence, literature, and art. The scope of it is nothing less than astounding as the level of influence the Amazons had on the ancient and modern worlds becomes known. No stone is left unturned. The personalities are examined in as much detail as the clothes, the weapons, and the territories they staked out.

As narrator, Fran Tunno does a respectable job for the most part. However, she also joins a great many throughout modern culture who have difficulty pronouncing many of the names. She pronounces the "w" in "sword," so you can imagine how badly mangled some of the Amazonian names become by comparison. Some of these names will have different pronunciations, and it gets a little cartoonish at times. But if you can deal with that, the strength of her delivery is otherwise quite solid.

This is a book that will eventually see hardcover for my personal library. Part of that is due to the sheer amount of quality information, and part of that is because there are constant references to photos and illustrations that are not packaged with the audio.

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Exceeds expectations. I promise. By a lot.

This book is fantastic. This is tangible, human, personal scholarship fused with the fascinating, potent history of "Guns, Germs & Steel." It's the same duration, actually, yet it doesn't drag like GG&S because the entire book is focused squarely on people, painted vividly. Seriously, I don't remember the last time I found a history book this good.

The Greek myths are, of course, myths, but Adrienne Mayor pulls together a multitude of ancient sources - writers and artists in equal measure - and 21st century archaeology to assemble a picture of the real, powerfully egalitarian ethic group behind the legendary women warriors. It's like having an enthusiastic guide walk you through a living museum of Amazon attire, weapons, lifestyle, history, portrayal, recreation, and sex (except you can't see the artifacts she's pointing to, but you'll get over it).

Adrienne Mayor does a champion job of unpacking what the Greeks wrote about the Amazons in their histories and myths, what the people they called the "Amazons" were most likely like, and_why_Greek and later accounts differ from the probable reality.

For example, some writers in the last couple centuries B.C. and the first few A.D. claimed that the Amazons maimed their male infants. Adrienne Mayor, in response:
1. Puts forward several reasons why men of the regions ascribed to the Amazons may have had high rates of hip dislocations, broken leg bones, and consequent limps.
2. Provides historical, bio-archaeological, and bio-ethnological support for these explanations.
3. Suggests why male Greek writers listening to travelers' tales would have jumped to the conclusion that the injuries were inflicted on the men by the women at birth.
4. Keeps an interesting narrative running through the whole thing.


Unfortunately, the narrator has a tone and inflection which reminds me of the recorded women's voices which make announcements in airports and other high-traffic buildings. The last sentences of paragraphs sound as though she's smiling as she's speaking and deliberately wrapping the sentence up and tying a bow on top. My opinion is, of course, subjective, so listen and decide for yourself.


The only other problem is that I listened to this before I read anything else relating to the Amazons. Now I catch myself grinding my teeth whenever I hear or read about the Amazons amputating/cauterizing their right breasts or whenever a (well-meaning) feminist refers to the Amazons as existing only as a male fantasy of power and validation. Breasts don't get in the way of archery unless your bow is big enough to draw to well behind your head and "the Amazons" were an actual people group. Please stop ignoring them - they practiced your principles!

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Warning: Images NOT Included

Any additional comments?

This book references and gives detailed discussions of images throughout. There are MANY color plates, b/w images, and maps that are, unfortunately, NOT included for download. The verse surrounds the visuals, and they should be experienced in unison. It is difficult to fully comprehend without being able to see what is being referred to.

Otherwise, I LOVE this book... and really want to see the images. I submitted a request for a PDF file... Audible responded that my "feedback has been forwarded to the proper department so it can be reviewed and taken into consideration".

The book is $16 on kindle, $21 hardcover.

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Fascinating!

What made the experience of listening to Amazons the most enjoyable?

The scenes and people were so vivid, it was so easy to put myself into their shoes. These women were awesome!

Was this a book you wanted to listen to all in one sitting?

YES, and I did (twice)

Any additional comments?

There are images referenced but there is no accompanying PDF, which is disappointing but not critical.

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