In the fast-paced world of ministry - especially in places like New York City - it can be easy to drift into doing rather than being, managing rather than ministering. As small group leaders and disciple-makers, we’re reminded that deep, lasting transformation often begins not with strategy, but with slowing down, embracing vulnerability, and learning to lead from a place of wholeness.

In this thought-provoking episode host Brian Daniel welcomes Drew Hyun, author of Beautiful, Disappointing, Hopeful, to discuss the unique challenges and opportunities of ministry in New York City. Drew shares his personal journey from California to the East Coast, unpacking the spiritual dynamics of urban life - diversity, density, and the deep hunger for meaning.

The conversation explores the need for prayerful dependence, the role of love in building community, and the powerful framework of Emotionally Healthy Discipleship. Drew dives into the emotional complexities leaders often overlook, urging a "slow-down spirituality" that helps us address the deeper layers of the human condition. He also reflects on suffering, the problem of evil, and how the Christian story offers enduring hope in the face of life’s hardest questions.

If you’re looking to grow as a leader who not only disciples others but is also being discipled by grace, this episode will encourage you to embrace the beauty, disappointment, and hope found in following Jesus - right in the middle of real life.

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SHOW LINKS:

Beautfiul, Disappointing, Hopeful

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