The Dragons and the Snakes
How the Rest Learned to Fight the West
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Christopher Douyard
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David Kilcullen
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Just a few years ago, people spoke of the US as a hyperpower—a titan stalking the world stage with more relative power than any empire in history. Yet as early as 1993, CIA director James Woolsey pointed out that although Western powers had "slain a large dragon" by defeating the Soviet Union in the Cold War, they now faced a "variety of poisonous snakes."
In The Dragons and the Snakes, the eminent soldier-scholar David Kilcullen asks how, and what, opponents of the West have learned during the last quarter-century of conflict. Applying a combination of evolutionary theory and detailed field observation, he explains what happened to the "snakes"—non-state threats including terrorists and guerrillas—and the "dragons"—state-based competitors such as Russia and China. He explores how enemies learn under conditions of conflict, and examines how Western dominance over a very particular form of warfare since the Cold War has created a fitness landscape that forces adversaries to adapt in ways that present serious new challenges to America and its allies. Within the world's contemporary conflict zones, Kilcullen argues, state and non-state threats have increasingly come to resemble each other, with states adopting non-state techniques and non-state actors now able to access levels of precision and lethal weapon systems once only available to governments.
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- By Anon on 11-06-19
By: David Kilcullen
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Blood Year
- The Unraveling of Western Counterterrorism
- By: David Kilcullen
- Narrated by: John Pruden
- Length: 9 hrs and 24 mins
- Unabridged
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David Kilcullen was one of the architects of America's strategy in the late phases of the second Gulf War, and also spent time in Afghanistan and other hotspots. In Blood Year, he provides a view of the current situation in the Middle East and analyzes how America and the West ended up in such dire circumstances. This is an essential book for anyone interested in understanding not only why the region has collapsed into utter chaos, but also what the US can do to alleviate the grim situation.
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A review all of America needs to hear!
- By Jessi L Mead on 06-23-23
By: David Kilcullen
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The Accidental Guerrilla
- Fighting Small Wars in the Midst of a Big One
- By: David Kilcullen
- Narrated by: Peter Ganim
- Length: 15 hrs and 35 mins
- Unabridged
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David Kilcullen is one of the world's most influential experts on counterinsurgency and modern warfare. A senior counterinsurgency advisor to General David Petraeus in Iraq, his vision of war dramatically influenced America's decision to rethink its military strategy in Iraq and implement "the surge."Now, in The Accidental Guerrilla, Kilcullen provides a remarkably fresh perspective on the War on Terror.
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Not What I Expected
- By John on 12-12-10
By: David Kilcullen
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Counterinsurgency
- By: David J. Kilcullen
- Narrated by: Peter Ganim
- Length: 10 hrs and 13 mins
- Unabridged
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Kilcullen brings together his most salient writings on this vitally important topic. Here is a picture of modern warfare by someone who has had his boots on the ground in some of today's worst trouble spots - including Iraq and Afghanistan - and who has been studying counterinsurgency since 1985. Filled with down-to-earth, common-sense insights, this book is the definitive account of counterinsurgency, indispensable for all those interested in making sense of our world in an age of terror.
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CounterInsurgency Insights
- By JenFox on 12-21-21
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War Without Rules
- China's Playbook for Global Domination
- By: Gen. Robert Spalding
- Narrated by: David Bryson, Brett Boles
- Length: 7 hrs and 9 mins
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Many Americans are finally waking up to the alarming reality of China's stealth war on the United States and puzzling over how to push back against its insidious infiltration. What few realize is that we have one real advantage in this war: the Chinese Communist Party strategy for total war has been written out in Unrestricted Warfare, the Chinese book, well known there, that has become their new Art of War. In War Without Rules, retired Air Force Brigadier General Rob Spalding takes Americans inside Unrestricted Warfare.
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Bombshell revelations!
- By Amazon Customer on 06-14-22
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Unrestricted Warfare
- China's Master Plan to Destroy America
- By: Qiao Liang, Wang Xiangsui
- Narrated by: Scott Pollak
- Length: 7 hrs and 32 mins
- Unabridged
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A sobering and fascinating study on war in the modern era, Unrestricted Warfare carefully explores strategies that militarily and politically disadvantaged nations might take in order to successfully attack a geopolitical super-power like the United States. American military doctrine is typically led by technology; a new class of weapon or vehicle is developed, which allows or encourages an adjustment in strategy. Military strategists Qiao Liang and Wang Xiangsui argue that this dynamic is a crucial weakness in the American military.
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China needs battle experience...
- By Swimfinz17 on 01-21-23
By: Qiao Liang, and others
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Out of the Mountains
- The Coming Age of the Urban Guerrilla
- By: David Kilcullen
- Narrated by: Christopher Kipiniak
- Length: 14 hrs and 11 mins
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When Americans think of modern warfare, what comes to mind is the US army skirmishing with terrorists and insurgents in the mountains of Afghanistan. But the face of global conflict is ever-changing. In Out of the Mountains, David Kilcullen, one of the world's leading experts on current and future conflict, offers a groundbreaking look at what may happen after today's wars end.
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Insightful analysis
- By Anon on 11-06-19
By: David Kilcullen
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Blood Year
- The Unraveling of Western Counterterrorism
- By: David Kilcullen
- Narrated by: John Pruden
- Length: 9 hrs and 24 mins
- Unabridged
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David Kilcullen was one of the architects of America's strategy in the late phases of the second Gulf War, and also spent time in Afghanistan and other hotspots. In Blood Year, he provides a view of the current situation in the Middle East and analyzes how America and the West ended up in such dire circumstances. This is an essential book for anyone interested in understanding not only why the region has collapsed into utter chaos, but also what the US can do to alleviate the grim situation.
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A review all of America needs to hear!
- By Jessi L Mead on 06-23-23
By: David Kilcullen
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The Accidental Guerrilla
- Fighting Small Wars in the Midst of a Big One
- By: David Kilcullen
- Narrated by: Peter Ganim
- Length: 15 hrs and 35 mins
- Unabridged
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David Kilcullen is one of the world's most influential experts on counterinsurgency and modern warfare. A senior counterinsurgency advisor to General David Petraeus in Iraq, his vision of war dramatically influenced America's decision to rethink its military strategy in Iraq and implement "the surge."Now, in The Accidental Guerrilla, Kilcullen provides a remarkably fresh perspective on the War on Terror.
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Not What I Expected
- By John on 12-12-10
By: David Kilcullen
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Counterinsurgency
- By: David J. Kilcullen
- Narrated by: Peter Ganim
- Length: 10 hrs and 13 mins
- Unabridged
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Kilcullen brings together his most salient writings on this vitally important topic. Here is a picture of modern warfare by someone who has had his boots on the ground in some of today's worst trouble spots - including Iraq and Afghanistan - and who has been studying counterinsurgency since 1985. Filled with down-to-earth, common-sense insights, this book is the definitive account of counterinsurgency, indispensable for all those interested in making sense of our world in an age of terror.
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CounterInsurgency Insights
- By JenFox on 12-21-21
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War Without Rules
- China's Playbook for Global Domination
- By: Gen. Robert Spalding
- Narrated by: David Bryson, Brett Boles
- Length: 7 hrs and 9 mins
- Unabridged
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Many Americans are finally waking up to the alarming reality of China's stealth war on the United States and puzzling over how to push back against its insidious infiltration. What few realize is that we have one real advantage in this war: the Chinese Communist Party strategy for total war has been written out in Unrestricted Warfare, the Chinese book, well known there, that has become their new Art of War. In War Without Rules, retired Air Force Brigadier General Rob Spalding takes Americans inside Unrestricted Warfare.
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Bombshell revelations!
- By Amazon Customer on 06-14-22
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War of the Flea
- The Classic Study of Guerrilla Warfare
- By: Robert Taber
- Narrated by: Scott R. Pollak
- Length: 6 hrs and 54 mins
- Unabridged
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Whether ideological, nationalistic, or religious, all guerrilla insurgencies use similar tactics to advance their cause. War of the Flea’s timeless analysis of the guerrilla fighter’s means and methods provides a fundamental resource for any listener seeking to understand this distinct form of warfare and the challenge it continues to present to today’s armed forces in the Philippines, Colombia, and elsewhere.
By: Robert Taber
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China's Strategic Arsenal
- Worldview, Doctrine, and Systems
- By: James M. Smith - editor, Paul J. Bolt - editor
- Narrated by: P.J. Ochlan
- Length: 11 hrs
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China's strategic capabilities and doctrine have historically differed from the United States' and Russia's. China has continued to modernize and expand its arsenal despite its policy of no first use, while the United States and Russia have decreased deployed weapons stocks. This volume brings together an international group of distinguished scholars to provide a fresh assessment of China's strategic military capabilities, doctrines, and political perceptions in light of rapidly advancing technologies.
By: James M. Smith - editor, and others
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Once an Eagle
- A Novel
- By: Anton Myrer
- Narrated by: Grover Gardner
- Length: 41 hrs and 20 mins
- Unabridged
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Once an Eagle is the story of one special man, a soldier named Sam Damon, and his adversary over a lifetime, fellow officer Courtney Massengale. Damon is a professional who puts duty, honor, and the men he commands above selfinterest. Massengale, however, brilliantly advances his career by making the right connections behind the lines and in Washington’s corridors of power.
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Favorite Novel of all time
- By Edward J Hubbard on 05-18-16
By: Anton Myrer
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American Guerrilla
- The Forgotten Heroics of Russell W. Volckmann
- By: Mike Guardia
- Narrated by: Jason Huggins
- Length: 6 hrs and 51 mins
- Unabridged
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With his parting words "I shall return," General Douglas MacArthur sealed the fate of the last American forces on Bataan. Yet one young Army Captain, named Russell Volckmann, refused to surrender. He disappeared into the jungles of north Luzon where he raised a Filipino army of over 22,000 men. For the next three years he led a guerrilla war against the Japanese, killing over 50,000 enemy soldiers. At the same time he established radio contact with MacArthur's HQ in Australia and directed Allied forces to key enemy positions.
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Malaria
- By Amazon Customer on 06-06-24
By: Mike Guardia
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The Weaponisation of Everything
- A Field Guide to the New Way of War
- By: Mark Galeotti
- Narrated by: Mark Galeotti
- Length: 6 hrs and 48 mins
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Hybrid war, grey-zone warfare, unrestricted war: Today, traditional conflict - fought with guns, bombs, and drones - has become too expensive to wage, too unpopular at home, and too difficult to manage. In an age when America threatens Europe with sanctions, and when China spends billions buying influence abroad, the world is heading for a new era of permanent low-level conflict, often unnoticed, undeclared, and unending.
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Clear, concise, and thought provoking
- By Dad / Husband (who rarely reviews) on 03-08-22
By: Mark Galeotti
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The Afghan Campaign
- A Novel
- By: Steven Pressfield
- Narrated by: James Langton
- Length: 6 hrs and 23 mins
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In words that might have been ripped from today's combat dispatches, Steven Pressfield, the best-selling novelist of ancient warfare, returns with a riveting historical novel that re-creates Alexander the Great's invasion of the Afghan kingdoms in 330 B.C., a campaign that eerily foreshadows the tactics, terrors, and frustrations of contemporary conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan.
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The Afghan Campaign
- By Some Guy on 03-10-10
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The Origins of Victory
- How Disruptive Military Innovation Determines the Fates of Great Powers
- By: Andrew F. Krepinevich Jr
- Narrated by: Adam Barr
- Length: 20 hrs and 33 mins
- Unabridged
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This book by military strategist Andrew F. Krepinevich, Jr., is the definitive take on the race for military dominance in the twenty-first century. It shows how militaries that successfully pursue disruptive innovation can gain a major advantage over their rivals, while those that fail to do so risk exposing their countries to great danger.
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Interesting listen
- By Gerry on 11-11-23
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White Sun War
- The Campaign for Taiwan
- By: Mick Ryan
- Narrated by: Joshua Saxon
- Length: 8 hrs and 54 mins
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After decades of poising on the brink, the United States and China finally go to war when China invades the island of Taiwan. Deploying their most futuristic technologies in this grand strategic competition of the twenty-first century, the stakes could not be higher. Not only the future of the Taiwanese people but the fate of the world lies in the balance. In an era when humans no longer just use machines, but partner with them in all aspects of military operations, this fictional account views this future war through the eyes of the American, Chinese, and Taiwanese caught up in the maelstrom.
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Like a Clancy Novel w/50% of the Research
- By Mike on 06-22-24
By: Mick Ryan
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The Pentagon Papers
- The Secret History of the Vietnam War
- By: Neil Sheehan, E. W. Kenworthy, Fox Butterfield, and others
- Narrated by: James Anderson Foster
- Length: 37 hrs
- Unabridged
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The basis for the film The Post, The Pentagon Papers are a series of articles, documents, and studies examining the Johnson Administration's lies to the public about the extent of US involvement in the Vietnam War, bringing to light shocking conclusions about America's true role in the conflict. With a brand-new foreword by James L. Greenfield, this edition of the Pulitzer Prize-winning story is sure to provoke discussion about free press and government deception.
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Awful as an audiobook
- By Sean on 02-08-18
By: Neil Sheehan, and others
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Rome
- Strategy of Empire
- By: James Lacey
- Narrated by: Joel Richards
- Length: 18 hrs and 23 mins
- Unabridged
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The Roman Empire lasted a solid 500 years—an impressive number by any standard. The decline and final collapse of the Roman Empire took longer than most other empires even existed. Any historian trying to unearth the grand strategy of the Roman Empire must, therefore, always remain cognizant of the time scale. Over the centuries, the Empire's underlying economy, political arrangements, military affairs, and the myriad of external threats it faced were in constant flux, making adaptability to changing circumstances as important to Roman strategists as it is to strategists of the modern era.
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Antony NOT Anthony
- By Cody Rankin on 12-14-23
By: James Lacey
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Six Days of War
- June 1967 and the Making of the Modern Middle East
- By: Michael B. Oren
- Narrated by: Robert Whitfield
- Length: 17 hrs and 53 mins
- Unabridged
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In Israel and the West, it is called the Six Day War. In the Arab world, it is known as the June War or, simply, as "the Setback". Never has a conflict so short, unforeseen, and largely unwanted by both sides so transformed the world. The Yom Kippur War, the war in Lebanon, the Camp David accords, the controversy over Jerusalem and Jewish settlements in the West Bank, the intifada, and the rise of Palestinian terror are all part of the outcome of those six days.
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Great overview of Middle East troubles
- By Patrick Marstall on 07-23-06
By: Michael B. Oren
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Black Flags
- The Rise of ISIS
- By: Joby Warrick
- Narrated by: Sunil Malhotra
- Length: 13 hrs and 33 mins
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In a thrilling dramatic narrative, awarded the 2016 Pulitzer Prize for General Nonfiction, Joby Warrick traces how the strain of militant Islam behind ISIS first arose in a remote Jordanian prison and spread with the unwitting aid of two American presidents.
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So much learned
- By mike flavin on 02-11-16
By: Joby Warrick
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- G. Reck
- 08-09-24
Excellent Look at Western Military Strategy and Our Advasaries
Author did an excellent review or our weaknesses and how to address them. A bit dated but still relevant.
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- Todd Kelsey
- 12-22-24
How much Iran does to fund terror
I liked the information. Getting into china buying up all the land near bases. The parts on the snakes.
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- M. Brennan
- 01-01-25
A good look into geopolitical impacts of modern warfare
The book is a very unique look into the impacts of warfare/alternative methods to achieve global dominance throughout history. Some of the assertions break down slight based on current developments (Russia, Iran, and Syria to name a few), but definitely presents a wide view of cause and effect not typical presented. Highly recommended
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- Paul
- 12-21-23
Horrible narrator
The narrator was so bad that I literally turned it off. I was really hoping to get more out of this but after an endless, and monotonous, “bueller…bueller” style I couldn’t take it anymore. I can’t give a fair account of the actual material but this was like watching paint dry while having someone drag a desk across tile.
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