Good story, performance so-and-so

What did you like best about this story?

The plot is ok, pretty good gritty fantasy. It soon turns out to be a real page-turner. The world is well-built and original, with elements of science fiction. Characters are good, even if this novel feels like it is mainly setting the stage for what is to come.

What aspect of Simon Vance’s performance would you have changed?

At first, I was impressed by his performance. He has a good voice and it is always clear who is speaking. However, he does this by assigning any number of accents to the characters (except the two male protagonists, who - despite coming from very different backgrounds - get to speak without accent). He also portraits women by speaking in falsetto, which is not only demeaning, but also quite tiresome.
These mannerisms are bad in themselves, but they are even worse in this setting, where the female protagonist is tough as nails, but consistently performed as speaking in falsetto, with a rather forced accent. Also, this manner makes it clear who the performer considers to be foreign.
After a while I got so irritated that I bought the book and read the last third.

Any additional comments?

I have already started reading (not listening to) the next part (The Cold Commands). This far, it seems even better.

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As usual Richard Morgan totally redefines a genre,

Violent, Grim, Spellbinding. I'm a Richard Morgan fan, but I hate fantasy novels, I could not put this down. Morgan Imagination seems to inhabit a different plain, a strange and scary world which will always surprise you.

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Smartly plotted the story line

4 Blue Roses
3.5 Blue Flames

Simon Vance narrated a dark fantasy featuring a gay hero named Ringil, a half breed called Archeth and a bored good hearted clan warrior named Egar Dragonbane. I loved his performance, so much so I added him to my narrator wall of fame. His ability to voice captured the the different characters which made it easy for me to imagine the world the author so smartly plotted.

I disagree absolutely with the reviews claiming the gay sex was too much and even overdone. There are two scenes, very far into the book, they were hot, fleeting and concentrated. I can do with more sex, in my fantasy books, and when I read that the sex is much too much, I was on the audiobook like a fly on shit. This is not a gay romance, and people who claim the sex is too much should listen to young adult stuff.

The author smartly plotted the story line and the world and character building was excellent. I am a fan, and I will definitely continue listening to this series. Especially, to hear more about Ringil. I love big alpha gay dudes.

Happy Listening

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An enjoyable read, but not for the delicate

I have long been a fan of Richard Morgan. Altered Carbon, Broken Angels etc, excellent reads. Morgan has never been afraid to add gritty realism to his characters and stories, often displaying a dirty underside which adds spice and life to his creations. The Steel Remains is not cyber punk, it is set as a more traditional style fantasy world. His writing is as enjoyable as ever, and as ever he doesn't shy away from violence or sex if he feels it is called for in the narrative. In this particular novel, one of the main protagonists engages in several graphically represented same sex acts. This is isn't simply shock value, the sexual orientation of the character impacts very directly on the plot and motives.

However it may gall me, I do think some readers should be warned about the graphic homosexuality in the novel, as many of the fans of the fantasy genre (I was going to say hard core fantasy but decided against it) may not expect to find content of this nature.

That being said, please do not get the impression that the novel is rife with sex. It is an excellent read/listen, well written, great story and great narration. I recommend it to any mature fans of gritty fantasy writing. Any Joe Abercrombie fans should also enjoy this novel.

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Wow! Dark grim fantasy at it's best.

Amazing story, heroes and narrator.
Can't wait for his next one.
Momma what an amazing. Audiobook.
Panarch Pete of Toronto

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Always good to read the description

Where does The Steel Remains rank among all the audiobooks you’ve listened to so far?

Richard Morgan writes gripping novels, and The Steel Remains is no exception. He does "damaged dark hero" as well as anyone. In this series he takes the fantasy genre and makes it fresh.

Who was your favorite character and why?

Gil, the lead character, is complex. Sardonic, an aristocrat with many upper class prejudices, he is also an effective military leader and a consummate soldier. He is a loner, follows a warrior ethos, and also has a self-destructive side. He undergoes significant changes in the course of the novel and I look forward to the second part.

Which character – as performed by Simon Vance – was your favorite?

Simon Vance is an accomplished reader, and the two male leads were excellent. I was less excited by the female lead, as her accent, at least to my taste, was a little distracting. Too bad, as her character — half human, half alien, left behind — was fascinating.

Did you have an extreme reaction to this book? Did it make you laugh or cry?

I was compelled to finish the novel and have already cued up the second one.

Any additional comments?

Some have commented on the depiction of the lead character's homosexuality, which underscores the importance of reading the description and the reviews if you are easily offended. Interestingly, these same readers did not seem the least bit bothered by the equally graphic, equally frequent, depictions of heterosexuality. (In fact, the heterosexual relations depicted were often non-consensual, while the gay sex occurred between consenting parties. I guess raping enslaved women is less offensive than gay sex between equals.) Nor did they seem bothered by the continuous, and highly graphic, violence. Remember, following Dr. Kinsey, that one in ten sword-swinging gore-covered berserker warriors are, statistically, likely to be gay. Which puts a whole new spin on "hearing the lamentations of the women."

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Not for the prudish...

The main characters have sex... but it is not really pornographic. Actually, it's not even as graphic as some of Morgan's other works, and definitely not as sexually graphic as Abercrombie's dark fantasies.

Is it for kids? No, kids shouldn't be reading Morgan. But... just because it's gay sex doesn't make it pornographic. If it were a man and woman having at it, most people wouldn't have said a word about the sex scenes - eliminate homophobia and, at worst, it's a mid-range graphic sexual content. JR Ward's Black Dagger books are way more detailed and they're only considered girl-porn. Actually, every time someone comments on the presence of gay or pornographic sex in this novel, it worries me... there are a couple points where the author mentions how the women were literally "raped to death", and nobody bats an eye over this. Actually, an abundance of genre novels routinely have women being raped (more or less violently, of course) but nobody cranks and moans about that so much... but put one guy getting it up the rear and LOOK OUT IT'S PORN.

Wonder if that was actually Morgan's point?

Ahhh... what a world when the wholesale rape of women (read any zombie books lately?) has become perfectly routine....

Okay, on to the story... no... as you might not be able to tell from my rant, I actually didn't like it all that much. Morgan was trying too hard to shock us all with the "romantic" (hahahah... I mean "gay") component and not hard enough to shock us with the plot. I guess it worked, in the shock department... just not in the right way. It was just a bit too confusing, with just a few too many characters, and a just a bit too much "otherworldlyness" which I didn't think was explained well enough to follow completely. I think he did bring the characters' storylines back together at the end, but it was just a little too late to help the tension/pacing of the novel.

Someone described it as setting the stage for the future novels and that is very accurate; this story is more setup and world/character building and less action/plot.

I'd still read more of Morgan's stuff (and his Kovac's books are still some of my fav dark books)... and I might read the next in this series if I come across it somewhere, but I won't be seeking it out.

The narration is very good. There is a ton of foul language and several sex scenes. I didn't think it was particularly gory, but there was a lot of violence.

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Smart, adult version of The Witcher

This is not for everyone. There's all manner of adult situations, including some you might never have imagined. If you're homophobic, skip it. But if you can appreciate good and clever writing about adult situations in a fantasy setting that's not unlike The Witcher, this is a great book.

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Well-Written, Brutal, Sexual, Heroic Fantasy/SF

Philanthropists, homophobes, fans of religion, and people squeamish about bad language and graphic depictions of sex and violence may recoil from Richard Morgan's The Steel Remains (2008). The sex and violence are not always gratuitous, as Morgan often depicts their psychological, political, and dramatic meanings as well as their physical effects, but erotic and bloody scenes are many. One of the freshest aspects of Morgan's novel is the homosexuality of its main protagonist, Ringil Eskiath, for there are few unabashedly gay heroes in heroic fantasy. Ringil's culture, the Trelayne League of free cities, would punish his sexuality with public impalement but for his family being elite and he a war hero. Ringil's gay outsider perspective offers refreshing moments, as when he explains to some outraged Imperial officers how he came by some vital enemy intel: "the thing about fucking is, it's a lot less wear and tear than trying to kill each other with bits of steel, and it's the sort of the thing that does lead to confidences and favors if you play it right. Ask any woman--she'll tell you that. Unless your experiences are limited to whores and rape."

The first book in a trilogy, The Steel Remains introduces the history of its world and its denizens (past and present). To defeat an invasion of alien sentient reptiles about ten years ago, the League had to team up with its bitter rival the Yhelteth Empire (which Morgan--less freshly--depicts as yet another pseudo-Islamic southern culture, following "the Prophet," forbidding graphic depictions of the deity, observing calls to prayer, and exploiting infidel slaves). Vital to winning that war were northern steppes Majak barbarians like Ringil's friend Egar Dragonbane and the Kiriath, a species of space faring engineers who had been forced to settle for a period on the world of the humans, whom they supplied with superior swords, sentient machines, and potent fortifications. After the war, the League reinstituted the slave trade to invigorate their economy, and the Kiriath decided to vacate the planet before the "fucking humans," a brawling, bargaining, lying, hate-filled, and cruel species, could debase them with their violent quarrels.

Ringil is living cynically in the backwater town near the site of his most heroic battle, selling the name of his sword, Ravensfriend, to the local inn for room and board, telling war stories for coins, developing a paunch, and engaging in one-night stands with stable boys, when his mother shows up to get him to try to locate and rescue his cousin, who has been sold into slavery to pay her deceased husband's debts. As Ringil returns to Trelayne, learning that you can't go home again, his old war-comrades Egar and Archeth Indamaninarmal (a half-Kiriath woman warrior-engineer-advisor to the Yhelteth Emperor) are also forced to deal with some disturbing changes in the status quo of their respective cultures. A fortuneteller tells Ringil that a big fight and a dark lord are coming. And it becomes apparent that the Aldrain (AKA the dwenda or the Vanishing Folk), legendary beings who left the world several thousand years ago, are manipulating human affairs for some purpose of their own.

The beautiful and apparently immortal and magical Aldrain resemble cruel and factional versions of Tolkien’s elves, but Morgan may be doing something more targeted at race, for the Aldrain are white and the Kiriath black, and his book is more science fictional. The different species seem to have come from different planets, and instead of a moon the world of the story has a Saturn's ring-like "band" composed of minute particles that cast "band light" at night and serve the superstitious Majak as the home of their gods. In later books in the trilogy I bet the band turns out to be artificial.

Like many of the best works in the contemporary "heroic" fantasy genre (e.g., by Abercrombie and Erikson), Morgan depicts a gray moral world. There are no clearly evil or good races, cultures, or figures. Humans, Kiriath, and Aldrain are all creative, cruel, violent, and selfish. Morgan does provide buoys, like the bravery, friendship, and ethical struggles of his three main characters. Although the "magic" of the Aldrain may enable Morgan to do whatever he wants too often (as in the climax), their travel between alternate worlds outside time is neat (one of the worlds recalls our earth, with highways--roads "of black stone built for giants"--and skyscrapers--"prisons . . . so tall they looked stretched beyond any humanly useful dimension"). Many of his fantasy/sf imaginings, like the corpsemites and helmsmen, are fine. And his writing is beautiful, horrible, and darkly humorous:

"There's a general hate in the hearts of men. . . . It's like the heat of the sun."

"It walked toward him like fire on paper, the dwenda, like a dancing blue rainstorm a dozen feet across, radiance falling and splashing back up off the floor again."

"The fight emerged from dream and became what it was--the man-dance, the steel measure, the promise of blood and death on cold courtyard stone."

"The thought spilled away from him like coins across the street and down a grate, little glints of gleaming meaning gone."

"You are immortal?" "So far."

Simon Vance gives his usual elegant reading of the novel (he makes the f-word, anal sex, and eye gouging sound refined), but his female characters are higher-voiced than need be, and his accent for Archeth is unfortunate.

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good storytelling but...

I am fairly certain I would have enjoyed this story, and certainly Simon Vance's reading of it, if it wasn't for the unnecessary sexual details (both straight and gay) and the swearing (f*** and c***) which to me was not used for literary reasons. If these things do not concern you then it looks to be a great story of mismatched and complicated buddies. I just wish Rochard Morgan left more things to my imagination.

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