Nancy Rommelmann is an investigative journalist, columnist, and author - most recently of To the Bridge: A True Story of Motherhood and Murder. Her work appears in the New York Times, Wall Street Journal, Reason Magazine, and her Substack, Make More Pie.

Sarah Hepola is the author of the bestselling memoir, Blackout: Remembering the Things I Drank to Forget. Her work has appeared in the New York Times, The Guardian, the Atlantic, Texas Monthly, and Salon. She is a staff writer at the Dallas Morning News.

Together, Nancy & Sarah host the Smoke 'Em If You Got 'Em Podcast.

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The Things I’m Afraid to Write About, by Sarah Hepola for The Atlantic

On John Wayne Gacy, Actor Michael Chernus, and Why We Do the Work We Do - Make More Pie (Nancy's Substack)

Was Alice Munro An Art Monster?, by Meghan Daum

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