• 12. The Man Who Studied The Size of the Mess: An Interview with Dr. Paul Bruno

  • Sep 22 2024
  • Length: 1 hr and 26 mins
  • Podcast

12. The Man Who Studied The Size of the Mess: An Interview with Dr. Paul Bruno

  • Summary

  • In this podcast episode, Trina introduces an episode recorded with Amanda and Dr. Paul Bruno, co-author of a critical article on the teacher shortage crisis. She discusses the major findings of Dr. Bruno's article, emphasizing the chaos in data reporting and the challenges it brings to understanding the true scope of the teacher shortage.

    Dr. Paul Bruno provides nuanced insights into how teacher vacancies and lack of veteran teachers particularly impact student learning. The podcast delves into the methodology Dr. Bruno used in his research, challenges in collecting reliable data, and how local control in the education system complicates efforts to quantify and solve the shortage problem. Dr. Bruno suggests targeted solutions and improved data collection to address the issues effectively.

    In the interview, Trina and Dr. Bruno exchange thoughts on the necessity and efficacy of teacher preparation programs, the impact of local control on K-12 educational governance, and potential solutions like differential pay for hard-to-staff positions and promoting teacher leadership. They conclude with a call to recognize and address the highly localized nature of teacher shortages and their profound impact on disadvantaged students.


    00:00 Introduction and Episode Context

    00:29 Teacher Shortage Crisis Overview

    01:33 Challenges in Data and Accountability

    02:23 Debating the Terms: Shortage vs. Crisis

    05:06 Impact of Teacher Shortages on Students

    07:50 Special Education and Teacher Ratios

    09:33 Veteran Teachers and Retention Issues

    13:18 Introducing Dr. Paul Bruno

    14:11 Dr. Bruno's Background and Research

    16:52 Understanding the Teacher Shortage

    32:01 Methodology and Data Collection

    45:08 Teacher Turnover and Certification Concerns

    46:06 Impact of Overseas Hiring on Teacher Numbers

    47:13 Teacher Roles and Class Sizes

    48:55 Veteran Teacher Retention Issues

    50:25 Challenges in Teacher Credentialing

    59:49 Data Availability on Teacher Shortages

    01:05:59 Local Control and Its Impact on Data

    01:08:20 Proposed Solutions for Teacher Shortages

    01:23:23 Final Thoughts and Call to Action


    Visit teachershortagecrisis.com to join the movement of teachers speaking up about the mess in K-12 Education in the United States.

    www.teachershortagecrisis.com
    Petition to Save K-12 Schooling and our Precious Democracy!

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