Welcome to Men on Fire, a podcast about what it means to be a man. All right, mate. All right. All right, let's go in. We started off. We? Yeah. Um, forgotten what to do. Really was all. I was all chatty earlier, and then you fed me this. Incredible. Steak. Tomahawk steak. And I'm in a bit of a meat coma now. But a good one. Yeah, a good brunch. I mean, what's it now? It's only like 10:00 and we've had a tomahawk steak, which is. It was ridiculous,  but we can't talk about it. Marcus doesn't do barbecue, so I can't tell you what you did or how, but it was. It was very dirty, though. It was very dirty. I gave it a good way. Dirty finish. Oh, what was that? You could you. We can talk about the salt that you used. What was that? Yeah. Toby. Toby. Tom's new salt. He sent me a few boxes of that, so it was a nice pecan smoked salt. Oh, we sent you a few boxes. Yeah. Yeah. You didn't send me any boxes, so you can't talk about it on this podcast. It's a joint effort to send me some tubby tom or whatever your name is, but you get the benefit of it, so I did. Yeah. To be fair, I do keep sending them to Marcus. I've still get my fingers in the salt. Yeah, although that would make it go moist and stick together. You don't want that? No, no, not that I've got moist fingers anyway. What we're talking about today, um. Why? I haven't been here for a couple of weeks, so we've sort of missed a couple of recording sessions. So I had a group of chefs here, um, a couple of weeks ago, which was great fun, passing on my barbecue knowledge. And last week I had a holiday  which brought up the subject of holidays, didn't it? Yeah, yeah. Holidays. So. Was this a good holiday? You come back feeling recharged and ready to go. Yeah. I don't know about recharged, but just different, different mindset. I talked to my wife about this, and sometimes it really helps us to have a different mindset. And remember you saying when you had your holiday, your lovely warm holiday in the summer, that you came back and you needed another holiday, but you felt different, like almost like recharged a little bit in a different way. But but it was that change of scene, wasn't it, I think. Definitely, definitely. It's like the first day you come back from holiday. You always appreciate your bed and your home more than any other day until you go on holiday again. Come back, I think. And that was I was thinking then when I asked you, or was it a good holiday and did you come back feeling recharge? Well, that's not that's not everyone's measurement of a holiday, is it? I suppose it's like when you're 18 and you go to Ibiza with the lads. Not that I've ever done that. Oh, it's Thailand with the lads. Up into my ether with a lad, mate. And with the lad. Yeah, the lad and. Yeah. That's not like some sort of different holiday. No, no, no, that was, that was a good. We went into a travel agents a day before and said we want to go somewhere that ends in uncovered. We want to go tomorrow. Right. So Ibiza was it. That's funny, isn't it? Because I'm a bit of a tangent then, but I remember being that sort of age and before was that sort of place you go with the lads or lasses to, you know, do stuff, do bits and now it's like it's quite a sort of swanky holiday spot for sort of older clubbers, isn't it? If me and you were going to go on clubbing holiday now with a bit of cash to throw around your cash, not mine.  Um, then we would go Ibiza and go to all the swanky clubs. Mean James Haskell's there. Exactly, exactly. There's a lot. I don't know what it says, you know. Yeah. Um, but yeah. Yeah. It was. No, it's a nice holiday. Thank you. It was. It was good. Do you think now, would you judge a holiday?  But quite heavily on either recharging or giving headspace. Is that like what you would think? It's just doing something different from the day, say, daily grind, but just doing something different from what I do normally, which you know, is pretty amazing. But I do