John Kinney discusses his start in reptile keeping in the late 70’s and 80’s, working up to his large snake collection before moving away from the reptile hobby. He shares details of the issues he had during the time of keeping reptiles and the ethics behind it, as well as his experience in the animal testing pharmaceutical world. John shares what his previous duties were in that facility, the ethics behind it, his opinions on animal rights and PETA, and much more. Later on he highlights why he got back into reptile keeping and how he views the community today. We also discuss the snake species he is keeping currently as well as the enclosures he has them set up in. John also discusses his experience in working for Custom Reptile Habitats, experiencing the enclosure build offs with content creators, and his overall view of social media in the reptile community. SHOW NOTES: https://www.animalsathomenetwork.com/218-john-kinney/ SPONSORS:

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We Discuss: 0:00 Introducing John Kinney 3:30 Welcome John - Introduction to Reptile Keeping in The 80s 12:57 Prepared for Burmese Pythons? 15:45 Getting Out Of The Reptile Hobby 25:00 John’s Experience in The Pharmaceutical World 25:18 Magic Mind Mental Shot 26:07 John’s Experience in The Pharmaceutical World 44:20 John’s Opinions on Animal Rights 52:10 Temple Grandin and Ethics of Cattle 1:03:24 Coming Back Into Reptile Keeping 1:09:24 Current Snakes He Keeps 1:14:29 Working At Custom Reptile Habitats 1:14:48 The Bio Dude Substrate + Bug Grub 1:15:49 Working At Custom Reptile Habitats 1:19:09 Enclosure Build Off 1:25:08 Domestication of Reptiles 1:33:22 Social Media’s Impact on The Reptile Community 1:44:44 Being More Aware + Closing Thoughts

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