With Phil on vacation, Kaitlyn and Esau join Skye to talk about the Supreme Court’s ruling that public schools must allow students to opt out of gender or sexuality content that may contradict the religious beliefs of their families. At the same time, more Americans say public schools should hire chaplains to offer spiritual guidance to students. With schools increasingly becoming the front line in the culture war, can public education survive? Then, Skye talks to Rachel Martin, the co-creator of NPR’s Wild Card podcast and former host of Morning Edition, about what she’s learned from interviewing artists, actors, and activists about their beliefs. She offers an intriguing glimpse into the spirituality of secular America. Also this week—the internet is full of bad advice about “toxic” relationships.

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0:00 - Show Starts

2:30 - Theme Song

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5:02 - LGBTQ Schoolbook Opt-Outs

27:12 - Who’s Toxic?

35:18 - Did We Jettison Forgiveness?

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49:45 - Interview

55:00 - Staying Informed without Burnout

59:30 - Rachel’s Spiritual Background

1:13:52 - The Wild Card podcast and Spirituality

1:27:32 - End Credits

Links from News Segment:

Court’s Ruling on Parents Opting Out of LGBTQ books in Schools:

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/27/us/politics/supreme-court-lgbtq-books.html

Majority of Americans Support Chaplains in Schools:

https://www.foxnews.com/media/majority-adults-support-religious-chaplains-public-schools-new-report-shows

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