This is the final episode of season 1!

Barbara J. King is emerita professor of anthropology at the College of William and Mary and a freelance science writer. The author of six books including How Animals Grieve, Personalities on the Plate: The Lives and Minds of Animals We Eat, and Evolving God: A Provocative View on the Origins of Religion, she focuses on animal emotion and cognition, the ethics of our relating with animals, and the evolution of culture, language, and religion. Her work has appeared in Scientific American, NPR, Aeon, and Undark. Barbara is a frequent media guest on radio and TV shows, and has enjoyed doing science outreach at places like the 92nd St Y and the National Academy of Sciences’ Science & Entertainment Exchange “science speed dating” night. Watch her TED talk on grief and love in the animal kingdom here.

Lori Marino is a neuroscientist and expert in animal behavior and intelligence, formerly on the faculty of Emory University. She received her PhD in biopsychology in 1995, and is internationally known for her work on the evolution of the brain and intelligence in dolphins and whales (as well as primates and farmed animals). She has published over 130 peer-reviewed scientific papers, book chapters, and magazine articles on marine mammal biology and cognition, comparative brain anatomy, self-awareness in nonhuman animals, human-nonhuman animal relationships, and the evolution of intelligence. She is also an expert on marine mammal captivity issues such as dolphin assisted therapy and the educational claims of the zoo and aquarium industry. You can find her on the The Whale Sanctuary Project's website here.

Episode reading:

Octopus Minds Must Lead to Octopus Ethics (2019) by Barbara J. King and Lori Marino in Animal Sentience: An Interdisciplinary Journal on Animal Feeling 26(14)

Additional reading:

Deception in the Animal Kingdom: Homo sapiens is not the only species that lies (2019) by Barbara J. King for Scientific American

Calling Team Cephalopod: Why Octopuses Could Never Disappoint (2018) by Barbara J. King for National Public Radio

Octopuses are Marvels to Watch, and, for Some, to Eat Alive (2016) by Barbara J. King for National Public Radio

Opening music is Where it Goes by Jahzzar.

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