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And We Feel Fine with Beth Rudden and Katie Smith

And We Feel Fine with Beth Rudden and Katie Smith

By: Katie Smith & Beth Rudden
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At the edge of collapse—and creation—two unlikely co-conspirators invite you into a radically honest conversation about the future. This isn’t just another tech or self-help podcast. It’s a story-driven exploration of who we are, what we value, and how we might reimagine the world when the systems around us stop serving us. We blend personal storytelling, cultural critique, and deep inquiry into what it means to be human in an age of AI, uncertainty, and transformation. We’re asking better questions—together. Because the world is changing fast, but maybe that’s precisely what we need.© 2025 Katie Smith & Beth Rudden Social Sciences
Episodes
  • Episode 10 | How We Use AI to Read, Write, and Stay Human
    Jul 2 2025

    Katie and Beth on literacy, dyslexia, and the future of creativity in a tech-driven world.

    In this episode: Technology isn't just reshaping how we work—it's transforming how we read, write, and understand the world. Beth and Katie delve into the complex and multifaceted intersection of literacy, dyslexia, and generative AI.

    From personal reflections to provocative questions, they explore how AI can empower those with learning disabilities, shift the way we express ourselves, and reimagine what literacy looks like in the 21st century. But they don't stop at promise—they unpack the tension between authenticity and automation, and the risks of losing our humanity in the rush to digitize expression.

    This conversation moves from ethics to empathy, from accessibility to artistic integrity, and lands in the heart of what makes us human: the need to be heard, understood, and connected.


    Topics Covered

    • The intersection of dyslexia, literacy, and generative AI
    • Why writing with AI can feel like cheating—and why it might not be
    • The evolution of reading, writing, and expression in a digital age
    • Navigating authenticity in AI-generated content
    • How AI can support creative expression for neurodivergent thinkers
    • Transparency and ethics in AI communication tools
    • Artistic integrity and the tension between automation and meaning
    • Why reading still matters—even as the tools change
    • Community, connection, and the future of communication


    Key Takeaways

    • Generative AI can unlock expressions for people with dyslexia and other learning and cultural differences.
    • Authenticity and creativity are still possible, even when AI is part of the process.
    • AI tools should enhance, not replace, our (and others) voice and effort.
    • The ethical design of AI requires transparency, care, and input from the community.
    • The future of literacy must prioritize access, dignity, and human connection.
    • Human-created content still carries a kind of value—and soul—that algorithms can't replicate.


    Chapters (Timestamps)

    00:00 — Introduction and Personal Reflections

    03:20 — Literacy, Dyslexia, and AI

    06:13 — Generative AI and Its Impact on Communication

    08:18 — The Role of AI in Writing and Creativity

    11:26 — The Evolution of Language and AI

    14:22 — The Future of Communication and Authentic Voices

    17:18 — Navigating the Challenges of AI in Writing

    20:16 — The Philosophical Implications of AI and Language

    23:18 — The Balance Between Technology and Human Effort

    26:22 — The Importance of Reading in a Digital Age

    29:06 — Conclusion and Final Thoughts

    31:19 — The Impact of Legislation on Health Insurance

    33:51 — The Role of AI in Communication

    36:53 — Human vs. AI: The Future of Reading and Writing

    39:48 — The Cost of AI: A Discussion on Resources

    43:03 — The Value of Human-Created Content

    47:07 — Art and Authenticity in the Age of AI

    50:41 — Navigating the Ethics of AI and Data Usage

    54:57 — The Future of Community in a Tech-Driven World

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    57 mins
  • Episode 9 | Rethinking Universal Basic Income: Why AI Disruption Demands a New Social Contract
    Jun 25 2025

    Hosted by Beth Rudden and Katie Smith, two builders of systems and challengers of the status quo. Beth is CEO of Bast.AI and a globally recognized expert in trustworthy AI, with decades of experience leading data and ethics at IBM. Katie is the founder of Humma.AI, a strategist who drove innovation and revenue growth at major global brands before turning to human rights and technology for social good. Together, they make complex issues like AI and the impacts on everyday people clear, personal, and impossible to ignore.

    In this episode: The future of work is already being rewritten by systems, not people. As AI accelerates labor displacement and concentrates wealth in fewer hands, Universal Basic Income (UBI) has returned to the spotlight. But Katie Smith and Beth Rudden aren’t here to romanticize it.

    They break down what UBI really is, why it’s misunderstood, and how tech elites hijack the conversation. They challenge the moral logic of effective altruism and explore why true economic reform demands more than a payout—it requires listening to people on the ground and rewriting the social contract with the community at the center.

    From epigenetics and AI ethics to the shrinking middle class, this is not a handout discussion—it’s a call to design something radically better, together.


    Topics Covered

    • What Universal Basic Income is—and what it isn’t
    • AI’s role in accelerating economic collapse and job displacement
    • The branding problem: Why “basic” isn’t helping the cause
    • Effective altruism and the failure of top-down solutions
    • Epigenetics, stress, and the physiological cost of poverty
    • Why UBI must be tied to systemic reform—not seen as a silver bullet
    • The future of work and the danger of being left behind
    • Community-led responses to automation and inequality
    • How reimagining contribution can strengthen the middle class


    Key Takeaways

    • UBI isn’t the finish line—it’s a starting point.AI disruption is forcing urgent questions about labor, value, and equity.
    • Effective altruism often centers the donor’s equation, not the community.
    • The branding of UBI must shift from “basic needs” to shared contribution.
    • Long-term economic health requires investing in people, not platforms.
    • Real reform must be community-driven, transparent, and just.


    Chapters (Timestamps)

    00:00 — Introduction to Universal Basic Income (UBI)

    01:53 — Defining UBI and Its Implications

    07:12 — The Floor vs. The Ceiling: Understanding UBI's Role

    15:26 — Critique of Effective Altruism and Top-Down Solutions

    24:54 — Systemic Issues and the Need for Reform

    31:28 — Reimagining the Future of Work

    34:47 — The Role of Universal Basic Income

    37:29 — Understanding Epigenetics and Stress

    41:47 — The Dangers of AI and Wealth Distribution

    46:29 — Listening to Communities for a Better Future

    50:08 — Evolving Capitalism and Effective Altruism

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    55 mins
  • Episode 8 | Launch Recap - What’s Ended, What’s Beginning, and What’s Next
    Jun 18 2025

    In this reflection episode, Beth and Katie look back on the first seven conversations—threads of grief, growth, tech, and care woven into something bigger. This is our origin story and a soft landing for new listeners.

    We talk about the role of community in turbulent times, the power of moral imagination, and the systems we’re unlearning—capitalism, AI, and outdated social contracts. Whether you're here for critique, clarity, or curiosity, this episode sets the stage for where we’re going next.


    Topics We Cover

    • What we’ve learned across the first 7 episodes
    • The role of AI in reshaping human interaction
    • Rewriting the social contract for our time
    • Capitalism, care, and the future of work
    • Why transparency and purpose matter more than ever


    Chapters

    00:00 Introduction and Recap of the Journey

    01:17 The Importance of Community and Connection

    03:48 Navigating Change in a Rapidly Evolving World

    06:15 The Impact of AI on Human Interaction

    08:33 Trust and Reality in a Changing Landscape

    11:32 Reimagining the Social Contract

    13:56 Exploring Power Dynamics and Technology

    16:15 The Future of Work and Universal Basic Income

    25:39 The Role of Media and Data in Shaping Reality

    26:54 Understanding Machines: The Human Element in AI

    31:37 The Movement Towards a New Social Contract

    34:10 Building a Foundation for Dignified Work

    37:51 The Ethics of Work and Value in Society

    42:05 Reimagining Capitalism and Community

    45:53 The Future of Work and AI's Role

    49:47 The Importance of Community and Connection

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    55 mins
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