• BONUS: Replies from David VanDrunen On State Illegitimacy

  • Sep 26 2024
  • Length: 54 mins
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BONUS: Replies from David VanDrunen On State Illegitimacy

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  • In this bonus episode, we interview Dr. David VanDrunen. We consider his reply on several points to Pastor Taylor Drummond's critical article that we discuss in episode 17. The title of that article is "Fool's Gold?: A libertarian analysis of VanDrunen's account of state legitimacy" and it examines particular arguments in David VanDrunen's book Politics After Christendom.VanDrunen expresses his appreciation for Drummond's article and our episode discussing it, raises questions concerning immoral complicity if the state is taken to be illegitimate, offers some clarification about his (up to this point) not having differentiated monopoly states from non-monopolistic civil governance in his writing, raises questions concerning what sort of consent is normative for the customary legal order's own legitimacy and its authorizing function, raises the question of when abuse or injustice might categorically disqualify one from rightfully possessing authoritative office and its relation to political resistance, and, at the end, responds to our proposal how a fuller, non-aggressionist view of proportionality in the lex talionis of the Noahic Covenant entails a conclusive argument in favor of the exclusively "protectionist" purpose of civil governance law. https://reformedlibertarians.com/bonusCMain Points of Discussion00:00 Introduction00:09 Episode description02:15 Prefatory statements05:37 The question of immoral complicity16:30 Clarifying matters of complicity21:13 The question of civil governance vs. monopoly state27:55 Distinguishing normativity from de facto (non-)conformity to norms31:00 The question of legitimizing consent35:56 Distinguishing compliance under duress (by aggression)40:45 The question of abuse/tyranny and de-legitimization45:20 The question of a conclusive protectionist-only view49:32 Remaining uncertainty about Scriptural “regulative principle” for civil governance52:29 Closing remarksAdditional ResourcesAbout David VanDrunenhttps://www.wscal.edu/faculty-member/david-vandrunen/ – author page at Mongerismhttps://www.monergism.com/authorsspeakers/david-vandrunen – bib at ResearchGatehttps://www.researchgate.net/scientific-contributions/David-VanDrunen-2115184386 Episode 17: David VanDrunen’s View Of Civil Government, with Taylor Drummondhttps://reformedlibertarians.com/017 “Fool’s Gold?: A libertarian analysis of VanDrunen’s account of state legitimacy,” by Taylor Drummondhttps://libertarianchristians.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/CLR-5-Drummond.pdfPolitics After Christendom by David VanDrunenhttps://www.amazon.com/dp/0310108845/ “The Protectionist Purpose of Law: A Moral Case from the Biblical Covenant with Noah,” by David VanDrunenhttps://www.pdcnet.org/jsce/content/jsce_2015_0035_0002_0101_0117 Episode 2: What Does Romans 13 Say About Civil Government?https://reformedlibertarians.com/002 Episode 8: The Boetie Option - the peaceful underthrow of the statehttps://reformedlibertarians.com/008 Episode 14: Does Political Representation Make Sense?, with Gerard Caseyhttps://reformedlibertarians.com/014 Episode 15: Can Christian Civil Government Be Theocratic?https://reformedlibertarians.com/015 Episode 18: Politics And The Church’s Mission: What Should The Church Teach About Civil Government? https://reformedlibertarians.com/018 Audio of Answering 10 Objections to Libertarian Anarchism by Roderick Longhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsUjJ7TOhgk&list=PLwrDNUO5MDu8WYU5oB7l037lvAEjSoPBr&index=13 The Reformed Libertarians Podcast is a project of the Libertarian Christian Institute: https://libertarianchristians.com and a member of the Christians for Liberty Network: https://christiansforliberty.netAudio Production by Podsworth Media - https://podsworth.com
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