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Building Brand Advocacy

Building Brand Advocacy

By: Paul Archer and Verity Hurd
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The Building Brand Advocacy podcast is your go-to for tactical conversations with marketing minds from fashion, beauty, wellness, and beyond. Hosted by Paul Archer and Verity Hurd, this podcast brings together industry leaders and experts to share how they cultivate communities, empower advocates, and drive results at scale. Whether you’re a founder, CMO, or marketer at a scaling brand, this is your space to stay ahead in modern brand building. From creating authentic connections to mobilizing passionate fans for Social Commerce, learn the principles of building Advocacy.Paul Archer and Verity Hurd Economics Marketing Marketing & Sales
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  • How You Build Brands Gen Z Actually Care About, Straight From The Strategists
    Jun 25 2025

    This is about more than Gen Z.

    It’s about the way they’ve reshaped marketing for everyone.

    This week, Paul chats with Lara Stallbaum (CEO & Founder @ Twirl) and Rosie Donoghue (Digital Marketing Manager @ Umberto Giannini) LIVE from London’s Brand Advocacy Summit to unpack:

    ✨ How to speak Gen Z’s language without losing your brand.

    ✨ Why performance marketing isn’t enough anymore.

    ✨ The surprising way Gen Z are reshaping product and brand loyalty.

    And of course, the big one…

    How to build Advocacy with Gen Z consumers who’ll actually stick around.


    You’ll learn:

    • What Umberto Giannini Found – Taking their products straight to students’ Freshers roadshows became unexpected research labs & Advocacy engines.

    • Why Raw, Real Content (yes, even with pimple patches) Wins Because when the vibe is honest, the message lands.

    • Why Your Top Fans Might Already Be Creators – They’re on your CRM, they’re opening your emails, and they’re ready to create. You just haven’t activated them yet.

    • When It’s Time To Rethink Brand Guidelines – Control doesn’t have to mean creative restriction, if you curate and brief smarter.

    Gen Z don’t just want something different. They want something real.


    This episode’s in kind partnership with Twirl; delivering scroll-stopping UGC for ads, sites, and socials, powered by a top-tier network of creators who know how to make brands shine.

    Learn more about them about: https://www.usetwirl.com/

    Download their ‘Gen Z UGC Playbook’ here: https://www.usetwirl.com/guides/the-gen-z-ugc-playbook


    Chapters

    00:00 - Why Gen Z Marketing Is Everyone’s Marketing Now

    04:00 - From Freshers Pop-ups to UGC Conversions

    07:20 - Brand Loyalty vs. Product Loyalty

    09:00 - How Connection Turns Customers Into Advocates

    15:10 - Brand Guidelines vs. Raw Authenticity

    20:00 - Building A Full Funnel UGC Strategy

    26:30 - Why Your Customers Might Already Be Your Best Creators


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    On Rosie’s LinkedIn

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    32 mins
  • YouTube Isn’t Social, It’s Search: Build A Channel That Wins Like JD Sports’ (With 0-500k Subscriber Credentials)
    Jun 18 2025

    YouTube has been around for nearly two decades.

    So, why are most brands still so bad at it?

    For this chat, Paul & Verity sit down with Chloe McCullough (YouTube Lead @ JD Sports & consultant to brands like SheerLuxe) to ask what building a real brand channel looks like.

    From scrapping paid media to focusing on organic reach, from creator-first strategies to serialized formats that cut through; Chloe’s taken JD from a confused content mix to a media powerhouse. In this episode, LIVE from the Brand Advocacy Summit: London, she lays out exactly how she did it.


    What you'll learn:

    • Why YouTube Isn’t A Social Channel – And how brands should treat it instead. Chloe explains how its long-form depth, search behaviours, and retention-led success mean it plays by totally different rules.

    • How JD Built Hit Series, Like ‘The Masked Rapper’, That Scaled Reach & Community Replicating TV-style content can create cost-effective, bingeable formats that grow your channel.

    • Why Most YouTube Strategies Fail – Hint: they’re borrowed from TikTok. Hear what marketers get wrong when they treat Shorts like other short-form, and ignore long-form fundamentals.

    • What Metrics Actually Matter – Learn how to read them like a strategist, so you can optimise your thumbnails, titles, and audience retention with clarity.

    • When Creators Are Worth The Budget – And what to do if yours isn’t huge.

    • Why Thumbnails, Titles & SEO Aren’t Afterthoughts – They are the strategy. See how Chloe tests & tweaks to unlock consistent growth, even before you’ve built an audience.

    This episode isn’t about gaming the algorithm. It’s about building an audience that stays.


    Chapters

    00:00 – Why Brands Still Don’t Get YouTube

    02:50 – What Makes a Brand Channel Actually Work

    05:42 – YouTube SEO, Community & Creator Thinking

    13:41 – Titles, Thumbnails & the 1% Rule

    15:07 – Serialized Content: Why It Cuts Cost & Builds Audience

    19:40 – Shorts Strategy & What Drives Real Growth

    23:33 – Community Building & Sentiment Shifts at JD

    26:40 – The 3 YouTube Metrics That Actually Matter


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    On LinkedIn

    On JD Sports’ YouTube

    Subscribe to Chloe’s Newsletter

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    36 mins
  • Kurt Geiger Confirmed: The New Brand Currency Is Experience & Belonging, Not Buzz
    Jun 11 2025

    What do pop-ups, playful giant handbags, and hyperlocal partnerships have in common?

    They’re not stunts. They’re strategy.

    Recorded LIVE at the Brand Advocacy Summit: London, this is the second of four exclusive episodes – straight from the stage.

    Verity & Paul sit down with Pascale Montaner (VP of Global Marketing @ Kurt Geiger) and Louisa O’Connor (Managing Director @ Seen Presents) to dig into why the smartest brands are leaning hard into the experience-driven economy.

    From transforming storefronts into storytelling tools, to building activations that speak louder than any ad ever could, this is the recipe for building real connection, loyalty, and long-term Advocacy.


    What You’ll Learn:


    • Why We Crave IRL Connection & What Brands Must Do to Earn It: Digital fatigue is real. With 80% of Gen Z reporting loneliness, brands that build real-world spaces of belonging – not just spectacle – are winning attention and loyalty.

    • How Pop-Ups, Sensory Design & Surprise Drive Advocacy: From stained-glass storefronts to surprise bagel drops, today's most successful brand experiences engage all the senses (as per Louisa’s expert experience); and give people stories worth telling.

    • Why Customers, Not Celebrities, Are the New Influencers: Kurt Geiger's approach is clear – invite your true brand fans in. They're more trusted, more loyal, and often more impactful than the biggest names on your PR list.

    • How to Build Experiences That Translate Online (and Why That Matters): In a social-first world, IRL can feel like it matters most when it makes it to the feed. Learn how top brands are creating moments that live beyond the moment, without losing authenticity.

    • The One Mistake Most Brands Make With Experience: Spoiler: it’s trying to please everyone. The result? Experiences that resonate with no one. Find out how to focus your intent and create memory-making moments that actually move people.

    This isn’t about trend-chasing. It’s about experience as the new foundation of brand strategy.


    This episode comes to you in partnership with Seen Presents; a global agency creating culturally resonant brand experiences & experiential campaigns. Designed to deliver impact, innovation, and lasting brand fame.

    Learn more about the magic they’re making here: https://www.seenpresents.com/


    Chapters

    00:00 – Why Brand Experience Is the Strategy Now

    02:39 – Loneliness, Digital Overload & the Rise of IRL Belonging

    04:59 – From Elitism to Inclusion: Democratising Brand Events

    07:17 – Trust, TikTok & the Rise of the Authentic Ambassador

    09:12 – Building Sensory-First Experiences That Convert

    11:05 – Turning Retail Into Storytelling: Inside Kurt Geiger’s Flagship Strategy

    15:04 – Pop-Ups, Scale & Global Adaptation on a Budget

    18:45 – Using Social to Amplify (Not Replace) Experience

    20:14 – How to Make Your Digital Brand Tangible

    22:08 – The Biggest Mistake Brands Make With Experiences

    23:43 – Why Local Beats Luxury: Cultural Relevance Over Budget

    25:20 – Getting Buy-In: How to Prove the ROI of Experience

    28:50 – What Brands Overlook When Designing for Emotion

    30:17 – When Experience Goes Wrong (& What to Do About It)

    31:46 – The Role of AI in Accessibility & Personalisation


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    35 mins
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