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Each episode this year has brought an answer to a question that I think is so big. That question..."when we say God what are we actually trying to say?". Here are those answers, in part.

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Guest Bio

Tamice Spencer-Helms (she/they) is a published author, speaker, and theologian based in Richmond, Virginia. 

At 20 years old Tamice was drawn to full time ministry. After 15 years, Tamice went on to found Sub: Culture Incorporated, a nonprofit that provides holistic support and crisis relief for Black College Students. 

In addition to their Bachelor’s degree in Religious Studies and Copywriting (Virginia Commonwealth University), Tamice has a Masters of Arts in Contextual Leadership and a Masters of Arts in Theology. 

Over the years, Tamice has been a change-maker and pioneer for young people in her community. Throughout their life, Tamice has connected, supported, and ministered to countless young adults. Her friendly and down-to-earth approach to public speaking and teaching, as well as their dedication to theological study, has helped empower and inspire people in her community and beyond. 

Tamice lives in Richmond with their spouse Ellison, her daughter Harlym and their puppy Beacon Rey. In her spare time, she loves to dissect and listen to Hip-Hop, watch documentaries, whiskey tasting, and relax with a good book and a fresh cup of coffee. 

Her debut book Faith Unleavened: The Wilderness Between Trayvon Martin and George Floyd was released on February 21st. 2023!

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Don’t miss out on what Tamice has planned next! Stay tuned and follow her on Instagram @tamicenamaespeaks and Twitter @TamiceNamae. To engage with Tamice's writing on a regular basis, subscribe to her Substack 

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Karl and Laura Forehand join the show to discuss finding God in desert sanctuaries

Guest Bio:

Karl Forehand has 20 years experience as a pastor and counselor. Through the years he has counseled people in marriage, career, spirituality and general life struggles.   Karl has training in Spiritual Direction and Spiritual Leadership Coaching. He is the author of the award-winning book Apparent Faith: What Fatherhood Taught Me About the Father’s Heart (2019) and The Tea Shop (2020), Being, The Hotel and his latest book, Out Into the Desert, with his wife, Laura

Laura Forehand is a second grade teacher. She also teaches a classroom management technique called “Whole Brain Teaching.” She loves her children and is passionate about her grandchildren. She has recently found her voice and is working through reconstruction. Laura is a gifted writer, speaker and teacher.

Karl and Laura went through a deconstruction of their beliefs around 2017 and stepped down from their third church. They still attended church for a couple of years, but recently (late 2019) stopped attending an organizational church. They are currently promoting their book together called “Our into the Desert” and working together on the Desert Sanctuary podcast and related blogs / website.

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