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Cross Lab

Cross Lab

By: Steve Hohman & Olivia Espinosa
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Cross Lab is where trial attorneys get hands-on with the art of constructive cross-examination. Hosted by career actors and expert storytellers Steve Hohman and Olivia Espinosa—who’ve played mock witnesses in over 1,500 cross-examinations—this podcast is packed with the POV you’re missing and won’t find anywhere else. Join us as we bring together your attorney peers for realistic cross simulations, where they’ll share their trials (and errors), personal insights, and real-world experiences. You’ll also discover how different approaches to the same witness can impact both their testimony and your jury’s perception. BONUS: No matter where you are in your career, you’ll bank TONS of fresh storytelling strategies, reusable cross chapters, and imagination-sparking word choices for your next depo or trial! Don’t miss our special Cross-Pollination episodes, where we explore the layers of effective storytelling for audiences, alongside industry collaborators. Tune in and subscribe to Cross Lab!Copyright 2025 Haus Team Productions Art Entertainment & Performing Arts
Episodes
  • The Cop That Saw Nothing
    May 15 2025

    Hosts Steve Hohman and Olivia Espinosa are joined by criminal defense and civil rights attorney Bruce Ringstrom, and plaintiff’s personal injury attorney Fred Bryant.

    Watch as they put Officer Brown (played by Steve) on the stand and challenge his version of events to prove their client did not knowingly help her son evade arrest.

    This episode is based on a real case from a listener looking for new perspectives on their upcoming trial. To submit your case for an upcoming episode click HERE!

    What’s covered in this episode:

    • How to turn minimal evidence into explosive revelations
    • Creating real-time surplus reality
    • Why breaking the #1 “baby lawyer” rule can can pay off
    • What to do when a witness doesn’t give you what you want
    • The “who’s the jerk now?” method—this is gold!

    Time Stamps

    00:00 What’s Cross Lab?

    9:24 The blurred line advantages of working with family in your law firm

    15:26 Mock Case Overview: State of Idaho vs. Darla Roberts

    17:08 How to cross a witness with minimal evidence—and uncover explosive surprises (the good kind)

    20:00 Bruce’s cross: Building surplus reality

    38:53 Why it’s worth breaking a “baby lawyer” rule

    40:25 The top fall back when a witness doesn’t give you what you want

    49:52 An easy technique to reset and rattle a witness at the same time

    53:44 Fred’s cross: The “who’s the jerk now?” approach

    1:08:25 Why tagging your questions with a “isn’t that correct?” can show a lack of confidence

    1:13:24 Top takeaways if you had to cross a witness like this

    To get free resources for your next trial go to HausImprov.com

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    1 hr and 20 mins
  • The “It’s All About Me" Witness
    May 1 2025

    Hosts Steve Hohman and Olivia Espinosa are joined by personal injury and family law attorney Shane Henry, as well as noted TV, film and theater actor, producer and director Jean Bruce Scott.

    Watch as Shane cross-examines Jean, who plays this episode’s mock witness—a devoted grandma testifying on behalf of her son who’s seeking primary custody of his 2 children.

    Shane challenges Jean’s claims in this masterclass of constructive cross-examination.

    What’s covered in this episode:

    • The funnel that traps the witness and triggers the jury’s ‘aha!’ moment
    • What Bryan Cranston and Tom Hanks share—and why it’s essential for trial lawyers
    • How a fact-focused cross can open doors you didn’t expect
    • The low-key cue that signals you’ve got the opposing witness under your control
    • A simple way to collect testimony gold—ready for closing, ASAP

    Time Stamps

    00:00 What’s Cross Lab?

    2:55 The real power of constructive cross—for your witness, judge, and jury

    10:15 Structuring your questions to box in the witness and create an ‘aha!’ moment for the jury

    17:45 The “secret” to performing that hooks your audience and keeps you credible

    21:25 What successful big-money verdict attorneys have in common

    29:30 Mock Case Overview: Stills vs. Stills

    34:34 Shane’s Cross: Building a clear picture—one fact at a time

    57:14 A subtle cue that proves you're steering the witness

    59:56 How to collect key testimony—so your closing organizes itself

    1:09:17 Tips for managing performance anxiety

    1:13:41 Top takeaways if you had to cross a witness like this


    To get free resources for your next trial go to HausImprov.com

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    1 hr and 22 mins
  • Cross Pollination: Storytelling that Makes a Difference—From Prison to the Courtroom
    Apr 17 2025

    We’re calling this special episode of Cross Lab…Cross Pollination!

    Hosts Steve Hohman and Olivia Espinosa are bringing together their community of theater makers and professional storytellers for a powerful conversation.

    Our guests—Cecelia Kouma, Mabelle Reynoso, and Arturo Medina from Playwrights Project—are producers, actors, playwrights, and educators who teach playwriting in prisons.

    Tune in as they share their work, their wisdom, and storytelling techniques that can transform how you build narratives in the courtroom.

    Instagram @playwrightsproject

    What’s covered in this episode:

    • How to turn facts into a story—even if you don’t think you're a storyteller
    • 4 story kickstarters for a compelling narrative
    • The essential hook that makes your listener root for your client
    • Why “falling in love” with your client is non-negotiable
    • The no-brainer step to make your opening statement click with your fact-finders

    Time Stamps

    00:00 What’s this special episode of Cross Lab all about?

    5:23 About Playwrights Project and their work in carceral spaces

    11:29 The power of storytelling for healing and transformation

    17:32 Where to start—4 storytelling lifelines when you’re buried under a mountain of facts

    25:30 How to unlock your client’s real story—and why they’re giving you the “safe” version

    32:40 What the best attorneys we’ve seen have in common

    39:23 The #1 thing your listener needs for a story to land and feel real

    49:00 How to make sure your story is fleshed out and accessible for anyone (perfect for an opening statement!)

    1:06:03 Don’t think you're a storyteller? Here’s the cure.


    To get free resources for your next trial go to HausImprov.com

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    1 hr and 13 mins
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