In this episode, host Adam is joined by Katherine Bahcall, licensed Professional Counselor and a leader in recovery and care ministries, to discuss the often difficult but essential topic of conflict. Together, they explore how Christians can navigate conflict both personally and professionally, drawing from biblical wisdom and counseling experience. From conflict avoidance to the role of justice and mercy, they unpack practical steps for handling offense and sin while keeping Christ at the center. This conversation is a powerful reminder that while conflict is inevitable, the gospel gives us a redemptive framework for reconciliation.

[01:16] Katherine’s Journey into Counseling

[05:00] Understanding Cultural Approaches to Conflict

[07:32] Peacemaking vs. Peacekeeping in the Church

[10:12] Evaluating Offense vs. Sin

[13:21] The Importance of Self-Examination

[17:25] Approaching Conflict with Humility

[19:02] Justice, Mercy, and Trusting God

[24:39] When to Own Your Part and When to Call Out Sin

[28:00] Forgiveness as a Defeat of Evil

[30:22] Enabling vs. Confronting Sin

[31:26] Navigating Workplace Conflict

[37:00] Leading Up: How to Handle Conflict with a Boss

[44:00] The Role of Community in Conflict

[45:20] Closing Reflections on Conflict and the Gospel

• Summer Training Series: Navigating Conflict Resolution with Katherine Bahcall
• Rethinking Leadership Episode with Alan Hooten
• The Peacemaker by Ken Sande
• Ray Ortlund's Episode

Scriptures Referenced

• Matthew 5:9 — “Blessed are the peacemakers...”
• Matthew 18 — Guidelines for addressing sin in community
• James 4 — Conflict stemming from desires at war within us
• Proverbs 27:6 — “Faithful are the wounds of a friend...”

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In this moving episode, Adam and Ty sit down with artist Dawn Waters Baker to explore the sacred intersection of art, suffering, beauty, and faith. From her childhood in the Philippines to her residencies in national parks and her deep love for scripture, Dawn shares how her art is shaped by landscapes, personal grief, and the pursuit of God’s presence in both pain and beauty. This is a rich conversation on what it means to create from love, to see with the eyes of faith, and to bring art back into the life of the Church.

• [01:45] Childhood in the Philippines: Beauty & Suffering
• [04:13] Early Encounters with Art & Encouragement from Her Father
• [08:00] Capturing the Infinite in the Finite: Art as Prayer
• [11:16] The Ability to See: Beauty in Contrast
• [16:08] Trees in Scripture: Symbolism & Spiritual Insight
• [20:00] Residencies & Landscapes: Gettysburg, Big Bend, Hawaii
• [26:25] Waterfalls and God’s Love: Wild, Powerful, Grace-Filled
• [32:59] The Juxtaposition of Pain and Beauty
• [36:04] Reclaiming Honest Christian Art
• [43:00] The Role of Artists in the Church
• [47:00] Mary’s Offering and Beauty as Worship
• [51:25] Art in the Church: From the Tabernacle to Today
• [55:16] Current & Upcoming Shows and Opportunities
• [58:45] Final Reflections: Create from Love, Not for Approval

Books Mentioned:

• A Grief Observed by C.S. Lewis
• What's So Amazing About Grace? by Philip Yancey
• Works by Brennan Manning
• Rabbit Room Hutchmoot Conference
• Dawn’s Gallery: J. Peeler Howell Gallery, Fort Worth, TX

• Website: dawnwatersbaker.com
• Instagram: @dawnwatersbaker

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In this thoughtful and practical continuation of their conversation on gender relationships in the church, Ty, Liz, and Adam explore how men and women can engage each other as family within the body of Christ. Building on the theological foundation from a previous episode, they delve into real-world dynamics, boundaries, and the complexity of navigating cross-gender relationships with wisdom, love, and honor. From pastoral care to workplace interactions, the trio offers candid insights grounded in scripture and life experience.

You can find part 1 of this conversation here.

[01:00] Theological Framework for Brothers & Sisters Revisited

[03:00] The Church vs. The World

[05:00] Complementarianism’s Evolution

[08:00] Power Dynamics & Dual Relationships

[13:00] Practical Examples of Healthy Boundaries

[21:00] The Reality of Workplace Interactions

[30:00] Creating Space for Vulnerability

[38:00] Forming Healthy Imagination Around Relationships

[47:00] Relationships that Reflect the Gospel

[50:00] Closing Thoughts

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