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Episode 5

By: Dov Fox
Narrated by: Dov Fox
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 “We’ve been to the mountain.”©2023 Dov Fox (P)2023 Audible Originals, LLC
About the Creator and Performer - Dov Fox

About the Creator and Performer

Dov Fox is the Herzog Research Professor of Law at the University of San Diego, where he founded and directs the Center for Health Law Policy & Bioethics. Named professor of the year for both teaching excellence and outstanding scholarship, he also holds the university’s highest academic honor bestowed on faculty in any field. Fox’s articles have been published in leading journals of law (e.g., Harvard Law Review, Yale Law Journal), medicine (e.g., New England Journal of Medicine, Journal of the American Medical Association), and public health (e.g., Foreign Affairs, American Journal of Public Health). His work has also been featured in major newspapers (e.g., New York Times, Wall Street Journal), magazines (e.g., The Atlantic, The Economist), and television programs (e.g., CBS This Morning, NBC Today Show). Part One of his original series Donor 9623 was named Audible’s #1 podcast of 2020 and submitted for a Pulitzer Prize in investigative journalism. Fox’s latest book, Birth Rights and Wrongs: How Medicine and Technology are Remaking Reproduction and the Law, was published by Oxford University Press. His next book is The Conscience of Care: Policing the Boundaries of Health in Post-Roe America.
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Inspiring Story • Compassionate Narration • Human Connections • Beautifully Told
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I had listened to part I and almost did not listen to this one because I felt I knew enough about the situation. Boy was I wrong! This is a story about human weakness and forgiveness; about accepting each other including our faults; about the stigma of mental illness and how that limits our ability to deal with it.

Surprising

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The first Donor series stayed with me for a long time and having this second one felt like closure. Not necessarily a redemption story, more a change in perspective, it is a good reminder that life is full of gray. Great listen, smart writing, love the flow and the narration is excellent. Listen to the first one first.

Loved this follow up piece!

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This is a mind-boggling story, beautifully told. The longer it goes on, the more nuanced and interesting it gets. I found myself reflecting even more than the first season on the implications for my own parenting. (You must listen to the first season first btw.) And every time I found myself getting upset, the narrator (Dov Fox) seems to jump in and ask my exact question in a far more compassionate way. He’s very good. Fingers crossed, there will be a season 3, and 4, and 5.

Just gets better and better…absolutely fascinating!

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This was a fascinating story. Excellent research, writing, narration. Really gripping human drama where you get more and more understanding of these people and their experiences. It’s like a fascinating mystery that makes you continue to ponder and change your perspective. I came to feel so much compassion for everyone involved (well, not for the donation company obviously). It made me cry.

Excellent!

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Great story, Dov is the best,.
The narration and the story, the way he interviews is professional, respectful and interesting.
More please

Amazing Podcast

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Carefully and thoughtfully presented. All of us are flawed. That we could all have Stephanie’s gift of forgiveness and grace would be a better world!

Well done

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Dov Fox is a masterful storyteller. He is not afraid to ask the hard questions and cross important boundaries especially in understanding mental health. There is no way you can not be upset about what Donor 9623 did by not sharing his fully true self to prospective moms that would choose him. Yet, the time had come for at least one mother to explore the man she picked as her son’s donor. Would she allow her son to meet Donor 9623? Go listen to find out. You may be very surprised how this turns out. I certainly was …

Redemption is possible

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Great story - well produced. Really well researched and paced. Thoroughly enjoyed it, can recommend it

Fascinating

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Wow- I’m blown away by this story. It had me hooked from start to finish. I’m left so inspired by Stephanie’s willingness to choose empathy even where it is not necessarily deserved, if only because it’s what’s best for her son- in her words to tell another story. And this story was told and produced so well and delicately- Best audio journalism I’ve heard in a while!

Story Worth Telling Told Well

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In Part One, I learned so much—it was eye-opening and powerful. As the story continued into Part Two, however, I was left with mixed emotions. Forgiveness is a vital part of life, and I understand that people can change and pay for their mistakes. But when it comes to children—especially those whose lives may have been deeply affected by lies and deception—some mistakes leave scars that time and repentance alone can't fully erase.

While Dov Fox does an excellent job presenting the complexities, I couldn’t help but feel like Part Two softened the gravity of what happened. It almost felt like, because one child turned out okay, the situation as a whole could be forgiven or justified. But it’s not that simple. Children deserve better, and when harm has been done to them, no amount of time served can truly undo that damage.

Part Two left me unsettled—but maybe that’s the point. It’s a difficult story, and one that raises hard, necessary questions.

A Thought-Provoking Story with a Difficult Second Chapter

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