From Two Sides to All Sides: Resilient Listening and Compassionate Conversations in the Midst of Conflict

By: Rory Michelle Sullivan & Nashira Pearl
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  • An independent podcast with Rory Michelle Sullivan and Nashira Pearlusing the Mahloket Matters methodology from The Pardes Institute of Jewish Studies


    In this four episode podcast, Rory Michelle and Nashira - two committed, passionate American Jews who care deeply about Judaism and productive dialogue - share our learning and unlearning about the Israel-Palestine conflict from a place of humanizing everyone implicated. We explore the perspectives we’ve encountered through organized trips to the area, our own reading, and how that plus our own upbringing has influenced our understanding of the issues. Our goal is to share what we’ve learned, including how to have constructive, generative disagreement with others, using the Mahloket Matters methodology from The Pardes Institute of Jewish Studies which combines Jewish wisdom and social psychology to generate discussion, critical thinking, personal growth, and the deepening of relationships. Listen if you’ve ever wondered: “How could they possibly think that?!”, sometimes feel that there is no hope for talking with people who think differently, or if you are afraid to talk or even ask about these issues and don’t know where to start. Our intention is to expand the conversation on the Israel-Palestine conflict from two sides to all sides while giving you hope and tools to talk about it productively in your own life.


    Transcript of all episodes here.


    Credits:

    Thanks to:

    • The Pardes Institute of Jewish Studies, Zvi Hirschfield & Monica Kleinman, and our Mahloket Matters Fellowship Winter 2024/5784 cohort
    • Chaim Landau and Sam Sussman for creating and running incredible programs to engage in deep conversation and resilient listening with those directly affected by the Israel-Palestine conflict
    • Nashira for being an incredible friend as well as partner in this podcast journey. This podcast is what it is because of your enthusiasm, thoughtfulness, courage, and insight.
    • Nashira’s husband and parents for ensuring a kid-free, quiet home for our recording marathon!


    Podcast Editing: Alex Kontis at Sonics Podcasts https://www.sonics.io/

    Audio Engineering: Conor T. L. Sullivan https://conortlsullivan.com/

    Recorded using Riverside.fm

    Equipment & Studio:

    • RM recorded at WXPN Podcast Studio at REC Philly on a Shure SM7B via a RØDECaster Pro mixer
    • Nashira recorded at home with a Blue Yeti with pop filter.


    Rory Michelle offers Artist/Educator in Residences (including workshops using the Mahloket Matters Methodology from The Pardes Institute of Jewish Studies) exploring "how to human" that help individuals and communities blossom and thrive. More here: rorymichelle.com.


    Thank you to these amazing Patrons for supporting what Rory Michelle creates!

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    ​Michael Spanier

    ​Julie Meyers

    Heidi Tehilla Newman

    LeeAnn Suen

    Susan Schapiro

    Jesse Bernstein

    ​Jim & Sherry Leffert

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  • 1: From Two Sides to All Sides

    1: From Two Sides to All Sides
    Oct 10 2024
    In this first episode, we discuss the role of identity in one's perspective on a conflict. Rory Michelle shares some categorizations of different groups among the Israeli and Palestinian people that help expand the conflict from two sides to all sides._____Transcript here.NotesThe Pardes Institute of Jewish Studies Mahloket Matters Methodology (as well as Teen Curriculum and Adult Fellowship)Peter Beinart, namely: "Yavne: A Jewish Case for Equality in Israel-Palestine" and The Crisis of ZionismThe West Bank: Last Week Tonight with John OliverNever Split The Difference - Chris Voss: “tactical empathy” referenced in Chapter 5, pp.96-112Extend Tours - Rory Michelle highly recommend these toursPerspectives Israel - This trip is no longer happening, but you can get a sense of it from its Facebook group.The term “resilient listening” that we learned on the Perspectives Israel tour was credited to Encounter.Unapologetic: The Third NarrativeChristian Evangelicals: How White Christian Influence is Reshaping IsraelThe history of the Jews in the Middle East/North Africa (thanks to Mariana Pardes for naming these last two aspects of what Peter Beinart's article doesn't cover)Other voices to listen to: Mikhael ManekinAhmed Fouad AlkhatibHannah ArendtShaul Magid, Distinguished Fellow in Jewish Studies at Dartmouth: The Necessity of ExileRashid Khalidi, Edward Said Professor Emeritus of Modern Arab Studies at Columbia UniversityMira Sucharov, Professor of Political Science at Carleton UniversityJoshua Shanes, Professor of Jewish Studies at the College of CharlestonBassam Abun-Nadi: PreOccupation: A Not-So-Brief History of Palestine Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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    38 mins
  • 2: Competing Commitments

    2: Competing Commitments
    Oct 11 2024
    In this second episode, we discuss a term we learned at summer camp that helps us understand what social and cultural psychologists Jonathan Haidt and Jesse Graham refer to as "Moral Foundations." In other words, what do we value, and how does the value someone is prioritizing impact their perspective? We focus especially on Israel's competing commitments between being a democracy and being a safe haven for the Jewish people._____Transcript here.NotesThe Pardes Institute of Jewish Studies Mahloket Matters Methodology (as well as Teen Curriculum and Adult Fellowship)Peter Beinart, namely: "Yavne: A Jewish Case for Equality in Israel-Palestine" and The Crisis of ZionismHistory of Jews in Israel and North Africa, link shared by Mariana PardesHow White Christian Influence is Reshaping Israel, link shared by Mariana PardesMoral Foundations Theory by Jonathan Haidt & Jesse GrahamElephant/Rider concept from Jonathan Haidt, author of The Righteous MindExtend Tours - Rory Michelle highly recommends!Perspectives Israel - No longer running, but Facebook group provides insights"Resilient listening" credited to EncounterNashira notes that maps of Israel she saw growing up did not distinguish between Israel and Occupied Territories. Today, Peter Beinart speaks about “Democratic and Undemocratic Israel” - thanks to Andrew Davies for pointing out this phrasing.Mikhael ManekinAhmed Fouad AlkhatibRabbi Megan GoldMarche shared this “competing commitment” of Universalism vs. Particularism with a group participating in Embark.Other voices to listen to: Rashid KhalidiBassam Abun-Nadi: PreOccupation: A Not-So-Brief History of PalestineAmira Mohammed and Ibrahim Abu Ahmad: Unapologetic: The Third Narrative Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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    41 mins
  • 3: A People for a Land or a Land for a People?

    3: A People for a Land or a Land for a People?
    Oct 11 2024
    In this third episode, based on a learning session from Pardes' Makhloket Matters Fellowship, we focus in on two Jewish perspectives on our relationship to the land of Israel-Palestine. Is the land an essential part of who we are as Jews? Or is it simply functional, and we could be happy anywhere we're safe and can study Torah? Turns out (spoiler alert!), both of these perspectives are embodied in our textual tradition and lived experience - and have been for a long time._____Transcript here.NotesThe Pardes Institute of Jewish Studies Mahloket Matters MethodologyShaye J. D. Cohen - From the Maccabees to the Mishnah The Sabbath - Abraham Joshua HeschelHistory of Jews in Israel and North AfricaExtend Tours / Perspectives Israel / "Resilient listening" credited to EncounterNative American Oral Traditions course, Lisa BrooksWisdom Sits in Places - Keith Basso (Note: American English speakers generally say ah-PATCH-ee (or plug this /əˈpɑːʃ/ into an ipa reader). The Apache call themselves Indé, which means “the people.” Source here.)The Art of Gathering - Priya ParkerSources quoted from the Pardes Mahloket Matters Fellowship source sheet:Letter from a Cherokee named Aitooweyah to the Principal Chief of the Cherokees, John RossPaula Gunn Allen (1939 - 2008), a Native American poet of Laguna Pueblo and literacy critic, activist, professor, and novelistRav Abraham Isaac HaCohen Kook - The Lights of the Land of Israel, Chapter 1Tosefta Avoda Zara, 4:3Babylonian Talmud, Megillah 29aLeo Pinsker - Excerpt from Auto-Emancipation, 1916Other voices to listen to: Rashid KhalidiBassam Abun-Nadi: PreOccupation: A Not-So-Brief History of PalestineAmira Mohammed, Ibrahim Abu Ahmad: Unapologetic: The Third Narrative Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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    45 mins

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