Matt talks with Sam Ramji. Sam is an advisor for a host of tech companies and the Linux Foundation, and the former Chief Strategy Officer for DataStax, the chief maintainer of the OSS Apache Cassandra® database. He was the VP of Product and executive leader for K8S and several other services in Google Cloud Platform, head of Strategy at Apigee, and the leader of Microsoft's OSS strategy.

## Show Notes

* [00:00:00] Introduction of Sam Ramji, a software engineer with a storied career in the industry, from programming on Commodore pet computers to working with Microsoft on transforming the company's relationship with open source.
* [00:01:38] Discussion on the transformation of Microsoft from a company that was not trusted in the market to one that attracted a lot of talent due to its change in thinking about open source.
* [00:04:00] Sam's experience working with Microsoft and how he proposed the company to embrace open source and discount all of its software to zero for startups.
* [00:06:04] Discussion on Cloud Foundry, a project that aimed to solve different problems in the industry but ended up passing each other in the middle.
* [00:07:26] The story of how Cloud Foundry was born after Heroku decided not to be acquired by VMware and how it was built internally until it was made public.
* [00:13:19] Discussion on the impact of Kubernetes on the container orchestration world and how it defragmented the industry.
* [00:17:18] Mention of Home Depot as a case in point for the success of combining XP and Cloud Foundry, leading to high developer velocity and cost efficiencies.
* [00:18:16] Sam and Matt discuss the evolution of Kubernetes installations and the complexity of running a basic workload on it.
* [00:22:06] Sam shares his perspective on AI, stating that it is bigger than the internet. He discusses the transformative power of AI and how it is changing the value of reasoning.
* [00:26:55] Matt and Sam discuss the rapid acceleration of AI research and development. They note the difficulty of keeping up with the constant updates and advancements in the field.
* [00:31:11] Sam discusses the potential for AI to automate dull, dirty, and dangerous cognitive labor. He also mentions the potential for breakthroughs in causal reasoning in the next few years.
* [00:33:26] Matt shares examples of how AI is being used in various fields, from energy generation to recycling to pharmaceuticals.
* [00:54:58] Sam and Matt discuss the concept of cognitive economy and its potential impact on AI and software development.
* [00:55:39] Sam identifies two major trends in AI: the superabundance of code and the proliferation of compute architectures.
* [01:02:53] Sam introduces the concept of the Jevons paradox in relation to AI, suggesting that as AI engines become more powerful, we will want to use more of them.
* [01:03:25] Matt and Sam discuss the potential implications of advancements in robotics, AI, and clean energy on the world at large.
* [01:04:17] Matt asks Sam for advice for those entering the industry or choosing a career path. Sam emphasizes the importance of privileging one's own curiosity and the ability to learn and unlearn.
* [01:09:22] Sam and Matt conclude their discussion, reflecting on the insights gained and the importance of continued learning and curiosity in the field of AI.