Debbie Jenkins was my book coach, so it seemed fitting that I interviewed her for Series 2 of Leader Insider Secrets, which focuses on the topics covered in my book, Inner Brilliance · Outer Shine: 10 Antidotes to Imposter Syndrome, Workaholism and Stress.

Without Debs, my book would never have got published. She is one of the best businesswomen I know. Full of fun, ideas and chaos! We talk about chaos a lot on this episode and how you can turn clever thoughts into assets.

Debs has run businesses and led people for a long time. She had beanbags in chillout rooms before they were even a thing at Google – this is how her mind works. Always ahead of the curve. Originally an electronics engineer, but since then has run a marketing company, written many books, and coached lots of authors.

Here’s what we cover:

· How to use chaos effectively – it needs constraints.

· Being polymathic. I’d never heard of the word until this episode.

· How she is recovering from control freakery which stems from being the oldest child of four. This led to always feeling responsible, stepping forward and getting things done. However, it got exhausting.

· How imposter syndrome keeps her humble and on her toes.

· What ‘4 am Dave brain’ is and how she deals with it.

· How a story which her headmaster told her each year, became a burden initially, but then inspired change. She learnt not to compare herself with others.

We laughed a lot on this episode like two naughty school girls, as I suspected we would.

You can connect with Debs on most social media platforms @debsjenkins. You can find out more about the work that Debs does at: https://theassetpath.com/ or https://debbiejenkins.com/

You can connect with me Estelle Read, book a free 30 minute discovery session, get free resources or order my book Inner Brilliance · Outer Shine: 10 Antidotes to Imposter Syndrome, Workaholism and Stress here.

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