Law and Chaos

By: Liz Dye
  • Summary

  • Ignorance of the law is no excuse! That’s true for a traffic stop, and it’s true if you want to participate in whatever’s left of American democracy. If the events since the 2016 election taught us anything, it’s that tuning out is not an option. Legal journalists Liz Dye and Andrew Torrez break down the week’s most important courtroom stories, so you can keep on top of this crazy news cycle. Whether it’s Texas giving two middle fingers to the Supreme Court, or Donald Trump in all the courts at once, we’ve got you covered.
    2024
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Episodes
  • Ep 105 — The Week Everyone Sued The Trump Administration
    Feb 7 2025

    Donald Trump’s blitzkrieg of executive orders is running into a million lawsuits. And Elon Musk’s inability to keep his mouth shut isn’t helping. We’ll discuss the avalanche of lawsuits by labor unions, non-profits, FBI agents, and anonymous federal employees, along with the judiciary’s response.

    Links:

    44 USC § 3501 Note

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/44/3501

    Musk associates sought to use critical Treasury payment system to shut down USAID spending, emails show

    https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/06/politics/elon-musk-treasury-department-payment-system/index.html

    US v. Illinois docket

    https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69616357/united-states-v-state-of-illinois/

    FBI Agents Association v. DOJ

    https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69609596/federal-bureau-of-investigation-agents-association-v-department-of-justice/

    AFL-CIO v. Department of Labor docket

    https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69613359/afl-cio-v-department-of-labor/

    Nat’l Council of Nonprofits v. OMB (“Nonprofits Case”) docket

    https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69583571/national-council-of-nonprofits-v-office-of-management-and-budget/

    ALLIANCE FOR RETIRED AMERICANS v. BESSENT (challenge to Treasury/BFS)

    https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69607077/alliance-for-retired-americans-v-bessent/

    Doe v. OPM docket (challenge to Musk server spoofing OPM email)

    https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69582338/doe-v-office-of-personnel-management

    New Hampshire Indonesian Community Support v. Trump (challenge to birthright EO)

    https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69560542/new-hampshire-indonesian-community-support-v-trump/

    The Three-Headed Chimera of Trumpian Destruction [Gift Link]

    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/the-three-headed-chimera-of-trumpian-destruction/sharetoken/09cb444c-9355-4852-be93-f505cbbd1418

    Show Links:

    https://www.lawandchaospod.com/

    BlueSky: @LawAndChaosPod

    Threads: @LawAndChaosPod

    Twitter: @LawAndChaosPod

    Patreon: patreon.com/LawAndChaosPod

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    56 mins
  • Ep 104 — Muskrats Invade Federal Agencies
    Feb 4 2025

    Elon Musk has invaded Washington. He has set loose a pack of feral teenage code monkeys with a god complex inside every federal agency, promising to do for Washington what he did for Twitter. What could possibly go wrong? Oh, and Musk also has a plan to “rightsize” the government by waving unenforceable contracts at federal employees to induce them into resigning. There’s a Fork in the Road all right, but this one is perhaps best not taken.



    Links:

    Nat’l Counsel of Nonprofits v. OMB (“Nonprofits Case”) docket

    https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69583571/national-council-of-nonprofits-v-office-of-management-and-budget/

    Elon Musk Wants to Get Operational Control of the Treasury’s Payment System. This Could Not Possibly Be More Dangerous by

    https://www.crisesnotes.com/elon-musk-wants-to-get-operational-control-of-the-treasurys-payment-system-this-could-not-possibly-be-more-dangerous/


    Office of Personnel Management “Fork in the Road”

    https://www.opm.gov/fork

    OPM Guidance on Schedule Policy/Career (formerly Schedule F)

    https://chcoc.gov/sites/default/files/OPM%20Memorandum%20re%20Schedule%20Policy%20Career%20Guidance%2001-27-25%20FINAL.pdf

    American Federation of Gov’t Employees v. Trump docket

    https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69588089/american-federation-of-government-employees-afl-cio-v-trump/

    VSIP 5 U.S.C. § 3521 et seq.

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/5/part-III/subpart-B/chapter-35/subchapter-II

    Truman EO 9830

    https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/executive-order-9830-amending-the-civil-service-rules-and-providing-for-federal-personnel

    Show Links:

    https://www.lawandchaospod.com/

    BlueSky: @LawAndChaosPod

    Threads: @LawAndChaosPod

    Twitter: @LawAndChaosPod

    Patreon: patreon.com/LawAndChaosPod

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    1 hr and 6 mins
  • Ep 103 — Trump Executive Orders Wind Up In All The Courts
    Jan 31 2025

    Trump issued dozens of imperial edicts — oh, sorry, executive orders. Many of them are wildly illegal, mostly are deeply cruel, and all are being challenged in court. We’ll discuss the pending injunctions on his birthright citizenship order and the “pause” on government spending so that he can redline the federal budget and delete all the “woke.”

    Links:

    Trump v. Meta docket

    https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/61568745/trump-v-meta-platforms-inc/

    American Federation of Government Employees, AFL-CIO v. Trump docket

    https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69588089/american-federation-of-government-employees-afl-cio-v-trump/

    OMB M-25-13

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/documents/deb7af80-48b6-4b8a-8bfa-3d84fd7c3ec8.pdf?itid=lk_inline_manual_2

    OMB CLARIFICATION MEMO

    https://ngma.memberclicks.net/assets/docs/White%20House%20OMB%20Clarification%20Memo.pdf

    Nat’l Counsel of Nonprofits v. OMB (“Nonprofits Case”) docket

    https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69583571/national-council-of-nonprofits-v-office-of-management-and-budget/

    State of New York v. Trump (“States Case”) docket

    https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69585994/state-of-new-york-v-trump/

    OPM Guidance on Schedule F

    https://www.chcoc.gov/content/guidance-implementing-president-trump%E2%80%99s-executive-order-titled-restoring-accountability



    Show Links:

    https://www.lawandchaospod.com/

    BlueSky: @LawAndChaosPod

    Threads: @LawAndChaosPod

    Twitter: @LawAndChaosPod

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    56 mins

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Expert analysis of important legal news

So far the podcast has been a great breakdown of what to expect, and where to focus your attention on upcoming stories where politics intersects with the law. As a layperson, it's empowering to know which stories have real legal substance and which don't, and of course, Liz is covering the stories that matter most.

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