"The One where Brian and Martin realise they haven't been very 'liminal' in their approach to researching liminality"In response to both Listener and Guest feedback as well as some of our own reflection on what we've learnt so far from our guests - this episode is a moment for us to reflect on our need to pivot our approach to the research and exploration that we are doing. We said we would do this in the open and part of that means recognising and leaning into when you might have been about to head off in the wrong direction. Ahead of the forthcoming episodes with Andy Thornton from the RSA and Ola Gwozdz - Data Philosopher, we discuss how we've had to shift our perspective on where to take the podcast next in order to stay true to our exploration of leadership in Liminal Spaces. Far from our initial framing of liminality in business transformation alone, this episode discusses our need to recognise and explore first of all that we all traverse through liminal phases at different junctures of our lives. As we open up about this newfound perspective, the conversation takes a interesting turn where we discuss the constraints that structures can impose, hindering decision-making and suppressing innovation. Change is a constant, but navigating it can be a herculean task. This episode forces us to look at a fresh approach to change, as we delve into 'abundant edges' and how those who thrive amidst chaos are often the most adaptable to new insights. We also indulge ourselves with engging parallels between Isaac Asimov's Foundation series and our conversations with Andy from the RSA. Wrapping up the episode, we broach the subject of success metrics and their potential misalignment. Is exceeding expectations always a success? Or does true transformation originate from the margins? We explore these thought-provoking questions, and share our take on the need for a paradigm shift in our thinking. Hopefully this sets a transitional scene for the episodes yet to come. As always we'd welcome your feedback.

Being Liminal Is a podcast about the changing nature of Leadership in Business Transformation. Brian and Martin explore the mindset and skills currently missing in Business Leadership of Transformation that when present contribute to the 30% success rate of Large-Scale Business Transformation and Change.The podcast explores Systems and Design Thinking as a necessary approach to leading through the Liminal State that is a Transformation programme. Each episode is either a research interview with a Guest Expert or a working discussion session between the hosts Martin Dowson and Brian Hoadley as they develop the content that will form their new book: Being Liminal. This podcast is your opportunity to eavesdrop on their research and writing process.Podcast Website: http://www.beingliminal.com/ Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/being-liminal/id1690994247Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7aJYpbWWZ85SBt27pfUgDo?si=1ffd9afda4594020Martin Dowson on LinkedInBrian Hoadley on LinkedIn