Episodes

  • S3 E 49: Mattie Jo Cowsert: Unraveling Evangelical Identity
    Nov 20 2024

    takeaways

    • Mattie moved to New York City driven by a strong instinct.
    • Growing up in Branson felt like living on a movie set.
    • Her upbringing was wholesome but came with pressures.
    • She recognizes the good and bad in her evangelical background.
    • Stability in community provided comfort during her teenage years.
    • Questioning beliefs began at a theater camp in New York.
    • Evangelicalism often conflates knowing and believing.
    • Love should not have an agenda in evangelism.
    • The historical context of women in Christianity is often overlooked.
    • Diversity in theater challenged her previous beliefs. The concept of divine love is often restricted by societal norms.
    • Personal identity struggles can lead to questioning established beliefs.
    • The pressure to conform to evangelical ideals can be overwhelming.
    • Many truths taught in evangelicalism can be challenged and deconstructed.
    • Faith should accommodate human growth and change.
    • Questioning beliefs is a difficult but necessary process.
    • Control within religious contexts often masquerades as love.
    • Family support can play a crucial role in spiritual shifts.
    • The future of Christianity may see a decline in conservative ideologies.
    • Cultural factors contribute to the current political landscape.

    Links:

    Website: https://www.mattiejocowsert.com/

    Book: Amazon Page

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    1 hr
  • S3 E45: Cassidy Hall: Queering Contemplation
    Nov 13 2024

    takeaways

    • Hiking the Camino was a transformative spiritual experience.
    • Reflecting on life in three-month segments helps maintain focus.
    • Faith was a spacious concept in Cassidy's upbringing.
    • Questions about existence began at a young age for Cassidy.
    • Deconstruction of faith can lead to deeper self-understanding.
    • Thomas Merton's writings opened new avenues of contemplation.
    • Queering contemplation invites a broader understanding of spirituality.
    • Engaging with political issues is crucial for community support.
    • Hope can be found in the innocence of children.
    • Silence holds infinite possibilities for personal growth.

    Chapters

    • Introduction and Background Stories
    • The Camino Experience: A Spiritual Journey
    • Reflections on Life and Time Management
    • Faith and Spirituality: Early Influences
    • The Journey of Deconstruction
    • Thomas Merton: Influence and Impact
    • Queering Contemplation: A New Perspective
    • Engaging with Political Polarities
    • Finding Hope in Local Connections
    • Silence and Its Infinite Possibilities
    • Liminality and Queerness: Embracing Uncertainty

    Links:

    Connect with Cassidy: https://cassidyhall.com/

    Buy her Book: [click here]

    Listen to her Podcast: [click here]

    Watch Her Merton Film: https://www.dayofastranger.com/

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    1 hr and 11 mins
  • S3 E48: Rob Bell on the Meaning of Everything
    Nov 4 2024

    takeaways

    • The journey of life often involves navigating liminal spaces.
    • Emotional transitions can be profound and transformative.
    • Writing is a deeply personal and exploratory process.
    • Names hold significant power in shaping identity.
    • Self-definition is an essential part of personal growth.
    • Grief can be processed in various ways, including observation.
    • Self-awareness must be balanced with self-compassion.
    • The present moment is all we truly have.
    • Creative expression can lead to deeper self-understanding.
    • Life's experiences shape our understanding of ourselves and others. Learning how we became us is essential for growth.
    • Personal histories can illuminate patterns in our lives.
    • Trauma is rooted in our cellular nervous system.
    • Understanding our emotions can lead to healing.
    • Anger can be navigated without harming others.
    • Being human involves navigating highs and lows.
    • Mythologies provide meaning in our lives.
    • The political is an amalgamation of the personal.
    • Art helps us transcend our pain.
    • We can trust in new futures as old myths die.

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    1 hr and 11 mins
  • S3 E45: Bradley Jersak: Nonviolent Atonement
    Oct 30 2024

    Takeaways

    • Bradley Jersak emphasizes the importance of community in spiritual growth.
    • He reflects on the trauma experienced within his faith journey.
    • The problem of evil is a significant challenge for many believers.
    • Jersak advocates for a nonviolent interpretation of atonement.
    • He believes the cross represents God's love rather than divine violence.
    • The intersection of goodness and suffering is a central theme in his theology.
    • Jersak highlights the need for healing and recovery in faith communities.
    • He discusses the importance of acknowledging complicity in societal issues.
    • The conversation calls for bridge-building across ideological divides.
    • Jersak's work at St. Stephen's University focuses on peace and reconciliation. We are training bridge builders for reconciliation.
    • The exhaustion from political entanglement may lead to healing.
    • Fear of existential crises leads to doubling down on beliefs.
    • Deconstruction should not lead to spiritual arson.
    • Religion gestures towards a greater mystery.
    • The incarnation should not justify Christian supremacy.
    • God's wrath is not violent anger but self-giving love.
    • Consequences of turning from love are often called wrath.
    • Retribution is a dangerous concept in faith.
    • Faith in violence undermines the teachings of Jesus.

    Links:

    Author page [click here]

    Amazon Book Link [click here]

    St Stevens University link [click here]

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    1 hr and 10 mins
  • S3 E41: Danny Cox: Making Inclusive Faith Spaces
    Oct 23 2024

    Takeaways

    • Transparency and clarity are essential in church communities, particularly when it comes to issues like LGBTQ inclusion.
    • Churches should clearly communicate their theological stance and actively work towards creating an inclusive and welcoming environment for all.
    • The concept of covenantal relationships, where individuals are bound together in a covenant of community, allows for diversity of theology while maintaining a sense of unity.
    • Churches should prioritize open and honest conversations, embracing the mystery and wonder of God rather than trying to control or limit understanding.
    • Pastors should focus on meeting the spiritual needs of their community and creating spaces for diverse spiritual exploration and community. Shifting from winning people to walking with them allows for a more authentic and compassionate approach to relationships.
    • Questioning and letting go of beliefs, such as eternal conscious torment, can lead to a deeper understanding of God's love and grace.
    • Creating spaces of love and service, like the Open Table Collective, allows for the inclusion and support of diverse individuals and communities.
    • Living in liminal spaces, embracing change and uncertainty, can lead to personal growth and a deeper connection with the divine.
    • Practicing spiritual disciplines, such as prayer and silence, can help cultivate awareness of God's presence in everyday life.

    Chapters:

    • Introduction and Background
    • Challenges within the Evangelical Church
    • The Power of Covenantal Relationships
    • Leaving the Pastoral Realm and Starting Open Table Collective
    • From Winning People to Walking with Them
    • Creating Spaces of Love and Service
    • Living in Liminal Spaces
    • Practicing Spiritual Disciplines

    Links:

    https://www.theopentablecollective.com/about-us

    https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-open-table-collective-podcast/id1667876129

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    1 hr and 14 mins
  • S3 E44: Tommy Preson Phillips: Leaving the Church and Looking for Christ
    Oct 16 2024

    Take Away Ideas

    • Deconstruction isn’t about losing faith, but about re-centering on Jesus.
    • Doubt and curiosity are essential tools in questioning rigid religious structures.
    • The power dynamics of church leadership need reevaluation; Christ-like leadership centers on humility and service.
    • The shift from religious laws to virtues (like love, peace, and self-control) is essential for spiritual growth.
    • The church should create space for dialogue, shared meals, and mutual support to foster genuine community.
    • People are drawn to authenticity—leaders who admit their doubts and embrace communal wisdom.

    Introduction:
    Tommy is introduced as a musician and pastor with a love for art and church life. He shares about his background growing up in a Southern Baptist family, his love for music, and the early influence of church culture.

    Journey into Ministry:
    Tommy discusses how he found himself leading a church in his early 20s, dealing with church scandals, and eventually growing his congregation into a space for those questioning faith.

    Deconstruction and Rebuilding:
    Tommy explains his personal deconstruction process, including moments of doubt and skepticism. He talks about how his church evolved after leaving a traditional evangelical denomination.

    Church Growth and New Models:
    The conversation turns to how Watermark Church functions as a community for both deconstructing Christians and new believers, focusing on shared meals, dialogue, and Christ-like leadership.

    Power, Capitalism, and Faith:
    Tommy critiques the influence of power and capitalism on modern church structures, contrasting this with the teachings of Jesus, and emphasizing the need for a "cross-shaped" leadership model.

    The Role of Doubt and Curiosity:
    Tommy highlights how doubt and curiosity are vital for spiritual growth, encouraging open questioning of scripture and long-held beliefs.

    The Future of the Church:
    The episode ends with a discussion on the future of the church, Tommy's optimism about the current shifts in faith communities, and his belief that God's work is revealed in moments of upheaval.

    Links:

    • Book: https://www.zondervan.com/p/invisible-jesus/
    • Music: https://presonphillips.bandcamp.com/
    • Watermark Church: Watermark Church Website
    • Substack: https://tommypresonphillips.substack.com

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    1 hr and 16 mins
  • Unfundamentalist Bible Studies: Reinterpreting James Ch 5
    Oct 11 2024

    takeaways

    • Tom Rundel reinterprets the Book of James for modern understanding.
    • Suffering is a common experience, not to be glorified.
    • Spiritual bypassing dismisses the reality of suffering.
    • Prayer should be an honest engagement with one's situation.
    • Lament is a significant part of spiritual practice.
    • Community support is crucial for those who are suffering.
    • The role of elders in providing care and support is vital.
    • Healing is not just physical but also emotional and spiritual.
    • Spiritual practices should be integrated into daily life.
    • The church's role is to love and support those in need.

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    31 mins
  • S3 E42: Matt Tebbe: Politics as Christian Practice
    Oct 9 2024

    takeaways

    • The current political and cultural moment in the United States is characterized by the erosion of trust in democracy and the weaponization of fear and anger.
    • Apocalyptic language is used in political discourse to create a sense of urgency and to rally support, but it often hinders productive conversations and solutions.
    • Economic realities, such as rising prices and income inequality, are often blamed on political leaders, but the underlying problems are complex and require systemic changes.
    • The current economic system is profit-centered, prioritizing growth and wealth accumulation over human flourishing. This has led to the exploitation of resources and the neglect of social services.
    • Building a more egalitarian and pluralistic society requires a shift in values, prioritizing love, faith, and truth over domination, coercion, and control. Evaluate economic policies based on their impact on real people's lives
    • Pastors can address political issues from the pulpit while maintaining the separation of church and state
    • Being politically engaged is a responsibility as a Christian
    • Take care of yourself and pay attention to your body's response to fear and anxiety
    • Hold onto truth and challenge misinformation
    • Be open to change and willing to repent

    Chapters

    • Introduction and Recap
    • New Beginnings and Church Expansion
    • Interpreting the Political Cultural Moment
    • The Weaponization of Fear and Anger
    • The Impact of Apocalyptic Language
    • Blaming Economic Realities on Political Leaders
    • The Profit-Centered Economic System
    • Shifting Values for a More Egalitarian Society
    • The Impact of Economic Policies
    • The Role of Pastors in Addressing Politics
    • Being Politically Engaged as a Christian
    • Taking Care of Yourself in a Politically Charged Environment
    • Holding onto Truth and Challenging Misinformation

    Links:

    https://gravitycommons.com/matt-tebbe/

    https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gravity-leadership-podcast/id1356585852

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    1 hr and 23 mins