A grim anniversary, but one former Conservative cabinet minister Esther McVey is hoping to turn into something positive. She joins Christopher Hope to tell listeners how she's planning to bring some light to March 23rd - one year on from the UK's first coronavirus lockdown - and whether it's fair to credit Brexit with the UK's speedy vaccine rollout. Also on the podcast: vice chairman of the 1922 committee, Sir Charles Walker tells Chopper why he's encouraging fellow MPs to vote against increased powers on coronavirus restrictions, and why his relationship with the state will never be the same following the UK's pandemic response.

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