Mark Gober is the author of An End to Upside Down Thinking (2018), which won the IPPY award for best science book of the year. He is also the author of An End to Upside Down Living (2020), An End to Upside Down Liberty (2021), An End to Upside Down Contact (2022), An End to the Upside Down Reset (2023), An End to Upside Down Medicine (2023), and An End to Upside Down Cosmos (2024). He is also the host of the podcast Where Is My Mind?

In this conversation with Mark we discuss:

• The most compelling evidence against the current model for the cosmos
• The problems with dark matter and dark energy
• Where gravity gets it wrong
• Why knowing our place in the cosmos matters (to our health)
• How consciousness ties in

...and more!

Learn more about Mark and his work, books and podcast at his website.

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Music by Chris Merenda