He’s a Libra, he’s successful, he’s amazing, he’s a trendsetter…a bad bitch all around, in this episode TS Madison is joined by the Material Gworl himself, SAUCY SANTANA!

They discuss the impact of growing up watching "Real Housewives of Atlanta" and "RuPaul’s Drag Race" MADE Saucy Santana, exploring makeup as a teenager, swapping gender expectations for authenticity, and Maddie shares her own experience transitioning at 17.

Doesn’t matter if you’re he/him, she/her, they/them, this episode is for the GWORLS! Madison and Saucy talk intersectionality, fighting back against prejudice from within their own communities. We’re all in the fight to tear down white supremacy together!

Next, we get into Santana's villain era, his days reading bitches on twitter, how fame changed that, and also, we learn about the moment when Maddie realized she had become an elder.

"Outlaws" is hosted by TS Madison, and is part of the Outspoken Network from iHeartPodcasts, co-produced by Turtle Run Entertainment.

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She’s a winner, baby! TS Madison is joined by the legendary Rupaul’s Drag Race Season 13 winner… it’s Symone! The duo jump immediately into it, and 'it' we mean a crash course on the astrological science of good sex, and the art of giving commands—and the sorcery doesn’t stop there. This episode is like an hour-long affirmation: we're vision-boarding with words, commanding the universe to deliver our “gots,” declaring “I AM!,” and stepping into the spirituality of queerness. It’s all about the Word, honey! The conversation then turns to the Ebony Enchantress’s journey from Arkansas to the main stage of RuPaul’s Drag Race. (Fun fact: Season 13 wasn’t just her winning season—it was also the first time Maddie sat on the judging panel.) She recalls what it felt like, from that side of the table, to watch the rising star walk the runway for the very first time. Together they reflect on RuPaul Andre Charles’s impact—not just on their own lives, but on the entire world—then bond over life’s ups and downs, those moments of feeling entirely lost, and the breakthroughs that promised brighter tomorrows. When Symone opens up about her lowest point, Maddie delivers an unforgettable pep talk, reminding her (and all of us) that it’s never about where you start; it’s always about where you go. Grab your tissues, y’all! We’re laughing, we’re crying, and we’re immediately queuing up a re-watch of RPDR Season 13!!! "Outlaws" is hosted by TS Madison, and is part of the Outspoken Network from iHeartPodcasts, co-produced by Turtle Run Entertainment.

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TS Madison welcomes Drew Afualo to Outlaws—TikTok’s undisputed roast queen, New York Times best-selling author of "Loud" (the first Samoan woman to ever make that list—clock it!!!), Forbes 30 Under 30 Creator & Social Media cover star, and host of not one but two hit podcasts: "The Comment Section" and "Two Idiot Girls." After getting fired from the NFL, Drew picked up her phone and built a following 9 million strong, proving definitively that there is in fact an audience who, like her, absolutely does not f*ck with racism, homophobia, transphobia, or misogynistic men with egos as fragile as their hairlines—who would’ve thought?!

Together, Maddie and Drew are holding men’s nuts to the fire. They talk Samoan matriarchy, “meat checks,” TERFs, what it’s like to be told “you’re prettier in person,” and the Uber driver who remembered Drew's voice from the last time she was in his car and told a man to go f*ck himself. Also, they reflect on why they’ll never be “above” replying to hateful comments, no matter how high the star soars. Drew gives Maddie her flowers, and Maddie is certain she’s just met her long-lost twin. Hold up—have you started the episode yet?? What are you waiting for?! It’s time for an hour of loud, live, and in color SISTERHOOD.

"Outlaws" is hosted by TS Madison, and is part of the Outspoken Network from iHeartPodcasts, co-produced by Turtle Run Entertainment.

See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.