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BUILDING & BREAKING with Nina L. Kovner

BUILDING & BREAKING with Nina L. Kovner

By: Nina L. Kovner
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BUILDING & BREAKING with Nina L Kovner is a podcast about how brands are built, how trust is broken, and what it all means for salon owners, hairstylists, small business creatives and brands who give a damn. Each week, Nina takes you behind the scenes of brand strategy, leadership decisions, and real-world examples from inside and outside the beauty industry. With decades of experience building brands (and witnessing heartbreaking downfalls), Nina breaks down the moments that define a brand: the bold moves, the missed opportunities, the trust built, and lost. Whether you’re leading a team, growing behind the chair, or navigating the noise of modern marketing, this podcast will help you slow down, get clear, and make aligned decisions that build trust and higher lifetime client and team value. No fluff. No BS. Just truth, context, and clarity from someone who's been behind the chair and inside the brands. Economics Management Management & Leadership Marketing Marketing & Sales
Episodes
  • In-N-Out: The Power of Simplicity, Brand Strategy, and Staying in Your Lane
    Jun 12 2025

    This week, we’re driving straight into the In-N-Out experience, a brand that’s never chased trends, but instead chose clarity, consistency, and connection. No chicken sandwiches. No seasonal drops. Just a focused menu, a powerful brand promise, and systems that deliver, over and over again.

    In This Episode:

    • Why In-N-Out’s brand promise is embedded into every experience
    • The power of a simplified menu (and what it teaches us about over-complicated service menus and product lines)
    • How consistency builds lifetime customer and client value
    • Why slow growth is sometimes the smartest growth
    • And why pricing isn’t just about numbers, it’s about trust

    From hairstylists to salon owners to beauty brands, this one’s for anyone ready to stop overcomplicating and start focusing on what matters most. Focus is a strategy. Consistency is the real flex. And trust is how you build something that lasts.

    If you are a salon owner or independent stylist seeking more clarity and simplifying your decision-making, click here to learn more about Creating Your Awesome Brand, a complete course for beauty professionals.

    Thank you so much for listening and sharing this episode with your business besties!

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    27 mins
  • Trader Joe’s: How Brand Story Creates Connection & Builds Trust Through Every Decision
    Jun 5 2025

    Trader Joe’s isn’t just about $3.99 flowers or dark chocolate peanut butter cups, it’s a masterclass in brand clarity and alignment. In this episode, we break down how every decision they make, from no delivery to no self-checkout to no coupons, is driven by their brand story (which includes brand promises), and why it keeps us coming back (even with those chaotic parking lots).

    Because brand clarity isn’t a constraint, it’s freedom.

    In this episode:

    • Why Trader Joe’s brand story is so clear and why it matters
    • How saying no to delivery and self-checkout protects the experience
    • The real reason their Crew Members are so friendly lol
    • Why no coupons builds trust
    • How living your brand promise through your decisions and actions, not just talking about it, builds connection and high lifetime customer and client value
    • The lessons salon owners, hairstylists, and beauty brands can take from Trader Joe’s to build stronger, more trusted businesses, and create higher lifetime client and customer value

    If you are a salon owner or independent stylist seeking more clarity and simplifying your decision making, click here to learn more about Creating Your Awesome Brand, a complete course for beauty professionals.

    Thank you so much for listening and sharing this episode with your business besties!

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    27 mins
  • Starbucks: How Losing Focus On The Brand Experience Cost Them Barista & Customer Trust
    May 29 2025

    In this episode of BUILDING & BREAKING, Nina unpacks Starbucks: the iconic brand that built its success on human connection and consistent experience, and what happens every time it drifts away from that brand promise.

    From Howard Schultz’s bold 2008 shutdown all U.S. stores to reconnect with the baristas and Starbucks experience, to this year’s decision to cut 30% of the menu, Starbucks follows a familiar pattern: build, overcomplicate, break trust, and then attempt to refocus on their brand and what made them successful to begin with.

    Nina shares what salon owners, hairstylists, and beauty brands can learn from Starbucks about brand drift, operational alignment, and the myth that “more” always means better.

    Because it’s about the coffee, or haircuts, or bottles of shampoo, it's about the entire experience. And when that breaks, so does trust.

    In This Episode:

    • The real reason Starbucks shut down all US stores in 2008, and what that bold move teaches us about leadership and brand clarity
    • Why cutting 30% of the menu is about more than efficiency, it’s about restoring the brand experience
    • How complexity inside the store created chaos, stress, and emotional disconnect, for both baristas and customers
    • What the new dress code reveals about the disconnect between brand story, business goals, and the experience
    • What salon owners, stylists, and beauty brands can learn about staying focused, building trust, and aligning the decisions you make with your brand story

    If you are a salon owner or independent stylist seeking more clarity and simplifying your decision-making, click here to learn more about Creating Your Awesome Brand, a complete course for beauty professionals.

    Thank you so much for listening and sharing this episode with your business besties!

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    27 mins
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