DEI is under serious threat in a "post-Woke" world.

Is it still relevant? Does it have to lead to shame?

Can we promote diversity without creating zero-sum dynamics of winners and losers?

Today's guest, Winitha Bonney, takes on DEI challenges with a clear and compassionate worldview grounded in empathy.

Which, in her telling, is what DEI is all about.

Ms Bonney helps me understand the importance of cultural context, the challenges of navigating discomfort and shame, and the ethical obligations of organizations to create a more just and inclusive world.

AI Thinks These are the Key Takeaways, and Who am I to Argue?

• There's a lot of work to do in DEI.
• Cultural context is crucial in understanding DEI.
• DEI is often oversimplified in corporate settings.
• Navigating discomfort and shame is essential for progress.
• Corporate responsibility must align with ethical obligations.
• The future of DEI holds both challenges and hopes.
• Understanding different cultural perspectives enriches DEI efforts.
• Shame and guilt can hinder effective DEI work.
• Inclusion should focus on equitable resource distribution.
• The evolution of DEI is a response to societal changes.

Winitha.com (cool URL, no?)

Stephen Baxter lives in Tasmania, which has Tasmanian devils which sadly are nothing like the one that gave me nightmares as a little kid watching Looney Tunes cartoons on Saturday mornings.

He’s a leadership mentor who promotes a style of leadership very different from the stereotypical command-and-control style of celebrated CEOs and generals: a humble, relational, and community-centered style of leadership rooted in influence, story, and service.

Drawing from his diverse experience—as a former pastor, mentor to political leaders, and grassroots organizer—Stephen explains the power of "leading leaders" rather than followers, and how narrative, self-awareness, and collaboration shape a more human and sustainable model of leadership.

He shows us how it’s possible to lead without ego and create culture without control. These qualities can foster change in local communities and global systems.

From church pews to parliament halls, from jazz bands to ultimate Frisbee teams, this conversation unpacks how leadership shows up in ordinary places—and why that's where it matters most.

• The unique leadership ecosystem of Tasmania
• How leadership is different when people come voluntarily (vs. for a paycheck)
• The myth of the "alpha" leader and the power of facilitation
• Leadership as storytelling, not status
• Cultivating leadership in community, not in hierarchy
• How fear and unmet needs distort leadership
• The hidden leadership potential in all of us
• Tips for stepping into leadership in your family, workplace, or community

How can we create workplaces that not only support employees and leaders but also contribute positively to the world?

Jess Stuart, a former high-achieving burned-out executive turned speaker and leadership coach, shares her journey from corporate burnout to studying with Buddhist monks and nuns around the world.

Spoiler: she discovered, and brought back to her clients, a more sustainable and human-centered approach to work.

Jess’s expertise bridges the gap between ancient wisdom and modern workplace challenges, offering actionable insights for leaders and employees alike. We discuss the signs of high-functioning burnout, the importance of quality over quantity in productivity, and how organizations can redefine success to prioritize well-being.

We talk about the tension between helping individuals cope and manage within problematic systems and changing those systems from the top down.

We explore Jess's work with women leaders, and the additional headwinds they face (double standards, damned-if-you-do-or-don't, assumptions about competence and experience, and more).

We also get into the seismic shifts being ushered in through generative AI, and wonder if it will perpetuate the sexist thinking of the (mostly men) who program it, or whether it can actually attain a higher level of wisdom and algorithmically look for solutions that benefit all life.

If you're feeling overwhelmed by the relentless pace of work (or if you know anyone who's not having a ball in their job, I highly recommend getting to know Jess and her insights.

Jess's Website