In this episode, hosts Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent explore recent COVID-19 developments, including a study from JAMA examining long-term outcomes of vaccine-induced myocarditis versus COVID-19 myocarditis. They discuss the implications of these findings, contrasting the media's portrayal of vaccine myocarditis with the actual data.

The conversation shifts to the controversial political landscape as RFK Jr. drops out of the presidential race to endorse Trump, highlighting his continued influence on the anti-vaccine movement.

The episode also previews a contentious upcoming conference at Stanford University focused on COVID-19 pandemic policies, questioning the representation of diverse viewpoints and the integrity of the discourse surrounding pandemic response strategies.

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