In this episode we'll talk about why kids these days like their worship music so loud. The main conversation with Pastor Stephen Hay centers on how to know when it’s time to move on from a ministry and when it's time to stay and double down. We also reflect on the importance of piloting new things before rolling them out. Bonus: we get breaking news on Derek's preferred grandpa name.

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In this episode, Derek and Danielle dive into some NFL and Swifties controversy, we cover why we sing songs that come out of churches that we might not totally agree with theologically, how to know when it’s time to reinvent YOUR church, and a look at how we’re setting short-term goals to accomplish big things at Grace.

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In this episode Danielle tests Derek to see if he can tell the difference between Taylor Swift song lyrics and quotes from his favorite author, CS Lewis. They also tackle the hot topic of how to respond to people in the church who believe that the church should be more focused on the events happening in Israel that they currently are. Are Christians obligated by their faith to support Israel no matter what the cost? Then Derek reflects on 5 Mind-Shifting insights about Reinventing church that he’s learned over the past year of strategizing about a whole-church overhaul. Finally, they talk about a recent church baptism experience and consider what it might look like for churches to design love into all they do.

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