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Rethinking Education

Rethinking Education

By: Dr James Mannion
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 "Civilisation is a race between education and catastrophe." (HG Wells) In this podcast, we take Wells at his word. Hosted by Dr James Mannion and David Cameron, Rethinking Education features long-form conversations with fascinating guests about how we might create a more diverse, intelligent, responsive educational ecosystem that works for *all* young people. If this sounds interesting to you, welcome to Rethinking Education: Education's Critical Friend: https://rethinking-ed.org/podcastAll rights reserved
Episodes
  • Rocking the system: Live songwriting, earworms and education reform with Rocktopus

    Rocking the system: Live songwriting, earworms and education reform with Rocktopus
    Jun 24 2025
    In this joyful and thought-provoking episode, we’re joined by Tom Veck and Andy Hawkings from Rocktopus – the world’s greatest rock band for kids (and educators, as it turns out). At the last Rethinking Education conference, Tom and Andy did something truly remarkable: in front of a live audience of 500 people, they wrote a brand new song on the spot. With lyrics provided by the audience and four chords chosen entirely at random, they created a tune that’s both hilarious and haunting – and just wait until you hear it. Fair warning: it’s an absolute earworm. But this episode is more than a musical moment. Tom and Andy – both former teachers – use the lyrics of the song as a springboard for a fascinating conversation about the perks and peculiarities of the English education system. We explore the power of creativity, the limits of conformity, and what it might take to build a system that helps everyone to thrive. Whether you’re a teacher, parent, policymaker or student, this one’s for you. In this episode: A live songwriting experiment with audience participation Why music and creativity matter more than ever in education Stories from the classroom – and why Tom and Andy left teaching Reflections on control, compliance and how to do things differently We have a narrow curriculum which squeezes out the arts - so let’s rethink education There is a lack of imagination and not enough fun - so let’s rethink education Children should be self directed showing us their way let them lead Transferable skills should be the core of what we teach learn for life So let’s trust Let’s be brave Let’s do what’s right and not what is required Let’s have fun Let’s explore Let’s bring back the love forget the fear of being fired! We're forced to rank the children as OFSTED ranks the schools - so let’s rethink education We have a lack of agency - we're trapped inside the system - so let’s rethink education A place of transformation that embraces community school is the heart A place to dream a place to play a Place to think and love feeling free So let’s trust Let’s be brave Let’s do what’s right and not what is required Let’s have fun Let’s explore Let’s bring back the love forget the fear of being fired! Outro track: ‘How it is and how it should be’ by Grit Control: https://open.spotify.com/artist/1ud69RIV1eOV9poMR7AORI DON'T BE A STRANGER The Rethinking Education podcast is brought to you by Crown House Publishing. It is hosted by Dr James Mannion and David Cameron, and produced by Sophie Dean. SUPPORT THE RETHINKING ED PODCAST: Become a patron: https://www.patreon.com/repod Buy us a coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/repod
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    2 hrs and 4 mins
  • "You can't afford not to!" Headteacher Kulvarn Atwal on the power of slice teams

    "You can't afford not to!" Headteacher Kulvarn Atwal on the power of slice teams
    Jun 21 2025
    In this short episode of the Rethinking Education podcast, James Mannion speaks with Dr Kulvarn Atwal – a highly respected headteacher leading not one, but two schools: Highlands Primary and Uphall Primary in East London. Kulvarn is the author of The Thinking School and The Thinking Teacher, and a long-time advocate of distributed leadership and research-informed practice. He shares insights into how his schools are developing cultures of continuous improvement through collaboration and genuine stakeholder engagement. This conversation focuses on the idea of slice teams – diverse, representative groups of staff, students, and other members of the school community who lead change initiatives together. Slice teams are a central feature of James's new book, Making Change Stick: A Practical Guide to Implementing School Improvement. Topics discussed include: What slice teams are and how they work in practice Why including pupils in these teams is so important How this approach can lead to more sustainable, system-wide change Whether you’re a school leader, a classroom teacher, or someone interested in education reform, this is a thought-provoking discussion on how we can rethink leadership and change in schools. LINKS Making Change Stick website - https://makingchangestick.co Making Change Stick book - https://www.amazon.co.uk/Making-Change-Stick-Implementing-Improvement/dp/1398387487 Outro track: ‘How it is and how it should be’ by Grit Control: https://open.spotify.com/artist/1ud69RIV1eOV9poMR7AORI SUPPORT THE RETHINKING ED PODCAST: Become a patron: https://www.patreon.com/repod Buy James a coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/repod
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    34 mins
  • The Schools Bill: Academies, Homeschooling & School Shaming (Warwick Mansell & Naomi Fisher)

    The Schools Bill: Academies, Homeschooling & School Shaming (Warwick Mansell & Naomi Fisher)
    May 30 2025
    In this powerful episode, we speak with two leading commentators on education and children’s rights – Warwick Mansell, independent investigative journalist and founder of Education Uncovered, and Dr Naomi Fisher, clinical psychologist and author of Changing Our Minds. We dig into the Children’s Wellbeing and Schools Bill currently making ita way through Parliament, and ask: who gets to decide what’s best for children? Warwick examines how the academies system has paved the way for growing inequality, secrecy, and reduced local oversight, while Naomi outlines how the Bill could ramp up state control over home education. From changes to local authorities to parental rights, this episode uncovers what’s at stake – and why we should all be paying attention. LINKS Follow Warwick - https://educationuncovered.co.uk Follow Naomi - https://naomifisher.co.uk/ Follow James - https://www.linkedin.com/in/james-mannion/ Follow David - https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-cameron-72061a15 Outro track: ‘How it is and how it should be’ by Grit Control: https://open.spotify.com/artist/1ud69RIV1eOV9poMR7AORI DON'T BE A STRANGER The Rethinking Education podcast is brought to you by Crown House Publishing. It is hosted by Dr James Mannion and David Cameron, and produced by Sophie Dean. SUPPORT THE RETHINKING ED PODCAST: Become a patron: https://www.patreon.com/repod Buy us a coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/repod
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    2 hrs and 16 mins
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