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Secret Life of Books

Secret Life of Books

By: Sophie Gee and Jonty Claypole
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Every book has two stories: the one it tells, and the one it hides.

The Secret Life of Books is a fascinating, addictive, often shocking, occasionally hilarious weekly podcast starring Sophie Gee, an English professor at Princeton University, and Jonty Claypole, formerly director of arts at the BBC.
Every week these virtuoso critics and close friends take an iconic book and reveal the hidden story behind the story: who made it, their clandestine motives, the undeclared stakes, the scandalous backstory and above all the secret, mysterious meanings of books we thought we knew.

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  • Happier with Henry Wotton: Gretchen Rubin on Aphorisms and the Importance of Being Oscar Wilde
    Jun 6 2025

    Gretchen Rubin is one of America’s best known and best-loved writers on how to be happy. She published her evergreen classic The Happiness Project in 2009, and it was an instant hit. She’s followed it with many more books on the habits of happiness, and she’s also co-host of a hit podcast Happier, which she hosts with her sister, the writer Elizabeth Craft.

    Today we’re talking about Gretchen’s take on Oscar Wilde’s Picture of Dorian Gray, Wilde’s only novel, which is packed with sometimes brilliant and sometimes merely glib aphorisms and witticisms. We talk about why pithy sayings are so appealing, whether they are ever really true, and why Wilde was so obsessed with this kind of writing. A companion episode to episode 63 on the book itself.

    Mentioned on this episode:

    Gretchen Rubin: The Happiness Project, Life in Five Senses, Happier and Home and Secrets of Adulthood.

    Gretchen Rubin and Elizabeth Craft: Happier the podcast.

    Oscar Wilde: The Picture of Dorian Gray.



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    43 mins
  • Oscar Wilde 2: If Looks Could Kill: The Picture of Dorian Gray
    Jun 3 2025

    The Picture of Dorian Gray is Oscar Wilde’s only novel, and it caused a sensation. It was used as evidence in Wilde’s trial for the crime of “gross indecency” in 1895. The conceit of the story is famous – a portrait grows old and corrupt while its human subject remains eternally youthful. But who knows what really happens in this famous modern myth?

    Sophie and Jonty talk about the influence of Shakespeare, Christopher Marlowe and Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, and Jonty throws around some exciting legal phrases like the Criminal Law Amendment Act. There’s plenty of discussion of Wilde’s personal obsession with home interiors, as well as a debate about why Wilde is so indebted to Dickens when he’s always going on about his contempt for matters of morality. Find out how a novel that is quintessentially about London is also about Wilde’s Irish identity, and what kind of wallpaper Oscar Wilde had in his student digs at Oxford. As the arch-aphorist and aesthetic rogue Henry Wotton would say, this podcast episode “has all the surprise of candour,” so find out what really happens in this legendary modern myth.

    Books referenced or mentioned in this episode:

    Oscar Wilde: A LIfe (2021) by Matthew Sturgis

    Sodomy on the Thames: Sex, Love and Scandal in Wilde Times (2012) by Morris B Kaplan

    Oscar Wilde, The Happy Prince and Other Tales (1888)

    Oscar Wilde, “The Decay of Lying,” “The Soul of Man Under Socialism,” and “The Portrait of Mr. W.H.” (1889)

    Oscar Wilde, The Picture of Dorian Gray (1890)

    Charles Dickens, Oliver Twist (1838)

    Jules Verne, Journey to the Center of the Earth (1864); Twenty-Thousand Leagues Under the Sea (1870); Around the World in Eighty Days (1872)

    Robert Louis Stevenson, Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde (1886)

    Bram Stoker, Dracula (1897)

    H.G. Wells The Time Machine (1895) War of the Worlds (1898)

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    1 hr and 21 mins
  • Classic Books vs Trump: Jill Lepore on reading her way through the first 100 days
    May 27 2025

    Jill Lepore is one of America’s most renowned intellectuals. She’s Professor not only of American History, but also of Law at Harvard University; she's a staff writer at the New Yorker, and still finds time to write some of the most renowned history books of the 21st Century, including the magisterial and monumental These Truths: A History of the United States, the brilliant Secret History of Wonder Woman and Sophie’s personal favourite, a history of King Phillip’s War and the origins of American identity.

    For the first 100 days of the new US presidency, Jill Lepore turned to the classics-- the Penguin Little Black Classics to be exact. In these miniature volumes of great writing, Jill found the imaginative intelligence, resilience and sense of ordinary pleasures she needed to abide with what's going on across America -- and at Harvard specifically -- as a result of Trump's turbulent regime. Listen and learn how the classics reconnect us with deep truths that we might "hold to be self-evident," but which have so often been under threat across human history.


    Books mentioned in this episode and published in Penguin Little Black Classics:


    The Decameron, Giovanni Boccaccio (~1350)

    "As Kingfishers Catch Fire," Gerard Manley Hopkins (1877)

    Anon. The Saga of Gunnlaug Serpent-tongue (late 13C)

    Wailing Ghosts, Pu Songling (c.1640)

    "A Modest Proposal," Jonathan Swift (1727)

    Tang Dynasty Poets (c8C)

    "On the Beach at Night Alone," Walt Whitman (1856)

    A Cup of Sake Beneath the Cherry Trees, Kenko (13C)

    "The Eve of St Agnes," John Keats (1819)

    "Travels in the Land of Serpents and Pearls," Marco Polo (c1300)

    "Caligula," Suetonius (121 CE)

    "Olalla," Robert Louis Stevenson (1885)

    The Communist Manifesto, Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels (1848)

    "Trimalchio's Feast", Petronius (c.60 CE)

    Inferno, Dante (14C)

    "The Wife of Bath's Prologue and Tale," Geoffrey Chaucer (c1390)

    Essais, Michel de Montaigne (1580)

    "The Beautifull Cassandra," Jane Austen (1788)

    Homer, The Iliad and The Odyssey

    "The Maldive Shark," Herman Melville (1888)

    Socrates’ Defence, Plato (399 BCE)

    "Goblin Market," Christina Rossetti (1862)

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    26 mins
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