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Tech on the Rocks

Tech on the Rocks

By: Kostas Nitay
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Join Kostas and Nitay as they speak with amazingly smart people who are building the next generation of technology, from hardware to cloud compute. Tech on the Rocks is for people who are curious about the foundations of the tech industry. Recorded primarily from our offices and homes, but one day we hope to record in a bar somewhere. Cheers!© 2025 Kostas, Nitay
Episodes
  • Business Physics: How Brand, Pricing, and Product Design Define Success with Erik Swan
    May 8 2025

    Summary
    In this episode, Erik reflects on his long and storied tech career—from the days of punch cards to founding multiple startups, including a stint at Splunk.

    At 61, he offers a unique perspective on how the industry has evolved and shares candid insights into what it takes to build a successful company. He discusses the evolution from building simple tools to creating comprehensive solutions and eventually platforms, emphasizing the importance of starting with a “hammer”—a focused, simple tool—before scaling to a broader offering.

    Eril introduces his concept of the “physics of business,” a framework for understanding go-to-market dynamics, pricing, and the critical role of brand in differentiating a product in a crowded market.

    He also touches on the challenges of product-led growth, the importance of achieving a strong “K value” (viral or network effects), and the pitfalls of allowing short-term quarterly pressures to derail long-term vision. Toward the end, he hints at his current project, Bestimer, which aims to apply lessons from his past ventures and leverage modern AI to tackle a massive, data-intensive problem.

    Chapters

    00:00 Erik's Journey Through Tech History
    04:06 The Philosophy of Designing for Success
    09:49 Understanding the Physics of Business
    14:29 Timing and Luck in Startups
    18:09 Lessons Learned from Splunk
    23:30 The Power of Brand in Business
    28:02 Leveraging AI for Brand Development
    32:04 The Resilience of Splunk
    36:45 Building a Competitive Edge
    37:28 From Tool to Solution
    40:59 The Importance of Onboarding
    44:32 Navigating Growth and Market Fit
    51:11 Innovating with AI: The Next Chapter

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    1 hr and 2 mins
  • Incremental Materialization: Reinventing Database Views with Gilad Kleinman of Epsio
    Apr 24 2025

    Summary


    In this episode, Gilad Kleinman, co-founder of Epsio, shares his unique journey from PHP development to low-level kernel programming and how that evolution led him to build an innovative incremental views engine.

    Gilad explains that Epsio tackles a common challenge in databases: making heavy, complex queries faster and more efficient through incremental materialization. He describes how traditional materialized views fall short—often requiring full refreshes—and how Epsio seamlessly integrates with existing databases by consuming replication streams (CDC) and writing back to result tables without disrupting the core transactional system.

    The conversation dives into the technical trade-offs and optimizations involved, such as handling stateful versus stateless operators (like group-by and window functions), using Rust for performance, and the challenges of ensuring consistency.

    Gilad also contrasts Epsio’s approach with streaming systems like Flink, emphasizing that by maintaining tight integration with the native database, Epsio can offer immediate, up-to-date query results while minimizing disruption.

    Finally, he outlines his vision for the future of incremental stream processing and materialized views as a means to reduce compute costs and enhance overall system performance.


    Chapters

    00:00 From PHP to Kernel Development: A Journey
    07:30 Introducing Epsio: The Incremental Views Engine
    10:56 The Importance of Materialized Views
    15:07 Understanding Incremental Materialization
    19:21 Optimizing Query Performance with Epsio
    24:53 Integrating Epsio with Existing Databases
    27:02 The Shift from Theory to Practice in Data Processing
    29:42 Seamless Integration with Existing Databases
    32:02 Understanding Epsio Incremental Processing Mechanism
    34:46 Challenges and Limitations of Incremental Views
    36:49 The Complexity of Implementing Operators
    39:56 Trade-offs in Incremental Computation
    41:21 User Interaction with Epsio
    43:01 Comparing EPSIO with Streaming Systems
    45:09 Architectural Guarantees of Epsio
    50:33 The Future of Incremental Data Processing

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    52 mins
  • From Data Mesh to Lake House: Revolutionizing Metadata with Lakekeeper
    Mar 21 2025

    Summary

    In this episode, Viktor Kessler shares his journey and insights from his extensive experience in data management—from building risk management systems and data warehouses to working as a solutions architect at MongoDB and Dremio, and now co-founding a startup.

    Initially exploring data mesh concepts, Viktor explains how real-world challenges—such as the disconnect between technical data models and business needs, inconsistent definitions across departments, and the difficulty in managing actionable metadata—led him and his co-founder to pivot toward building a lake house solution.

    His startup is developing Lakekeeper, an open source REST catalog for Apache Iceberg, which aims to bridge the gap between decentralized data production and centralized metadata management.

    The conversation also delves into the evolution of data catalogs, the necessity for self-service analytics, and how creating consumption-ready data products can transform data functions from cost centers into profit centers.

    Finally, Viktor outlines ways for interested listeners to get involved with the Lakekeeper community through GitHub, upcoming meetups, and a dedicated Discord channel.

    Chapters

    00:00 Introduction to Viktor Kessler and His Journey
    04:57 Transitioning from Data Mesh to Lake House
    09:15 Understanding Data Mesh: Pain Points and Solutions
    13:47 The Role of Metadata in Data Management
    18:16 The Evolution of Catalogs and Metadata Management
    28:14 Stabilizing the Consumption Pipeline
    31:18 Centralizing Metadata for Decentralized Organizations
    37:09 Bridging the Gap: Technical and Business Perspectives
    43:17 Rethinking Data Products and Consumption
    50:45 Finding Balance: Control and Flexibility in Data Management

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    57 mins
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