You got your JLA in my Avengers! John & David regroup to talk about David’s adventures into the Avengers, the true difficulty of comic book collecting, Marvel’s legacy numbering solution, and how you too could own Mark Gruenwald’s ashes. Also, joy-of-joys! The podcast gets a new listener, John renumbers all future episodes, and David makes a shocking confession.

Timestamp Segments

• [01:11] A new listener.
• [02:16] John gets a new dog.
• [03:15] David dives into Avengers.
• [05:13] 2 fun facts about John.
• [07:26] Squadron Sinister.
• [12:50] Squadron Supreme.
• [15:05] A classic Marvel villain.
• [16:45] The Squadron Supreme maxiseries.
• [18:29] The influence of Squadron Supreme on future comics.
• [23:23] Mark Gruenwald’s ashes.
• [24:02] Who is the new listener?
• [24:30] David’s Avengers collection.
• [25:29] Legacy numbering.
• [34:38] David’s shocking confession.

Notable Quotes

• “I’m a Whizzer!”
• “It becomes more and more obvious … how influential the Squadron Supreme is, without ever, themselves, being truly recognized, in any meaningful way, by fandom.”
• “We’re back down to 2 listeners.”

Relevant Links

David's Fun Stuff!
Did Someone Say Fun Time? Let's GO!

John is at PugW!
Pug Worldwide

For scary transcripts and spooky show notes!
www.thecornerbox.club

Books Mentioned

• Squadron Supreme.
• Avengers '63-'96 (#69, #85, #86).
• Avengers ’18-‘23.
• Avengers: No Road Home.
• Batman: Dark Knight Returns, by Frank Miller.
• Captain Britain, Marvelman, Swamp Thing, V for Vendetta, Watchmen, by Alan Moore.
• Daredevil, by Roger McKenzie & Frank Miller.
• Detective Comics (#27).
• G.O.D.S., by Jonathan Hickman.
• Hot Stuff, Richie Rich, by Jerry Beck.
• New Avengers, by Brian Michael Bendis.
• Quasar, by Mark Gruenwald.
• Savage Dragon, by Erik Larsen.

Boldy going where no one dares to go! Eisner Nominated Dave Baker joins regular host David Hedgecock to talk about his essay on John Byrne’s Star Trek: New Visions, the launch of The Comics Courier, the phenomenon of Noble Failures, theories about why this work exists, and the exciting prospect of a Star Trek: New Visions Season 2.

Timestamp Segments

• [01:45] Dave’s research for today’s episode.
• [02:05] John Byrne’s masterpieces.
• [03:40] The Comics Courier.
• [07:30] The worst comic of all time.
• [12:23] Noble Failures.
• [13:39] Dave’s essay: Part 1.
• [15:15] David, the outsider.
• [19:34] Dave’s essay: Part 2.
• [20:33] Why did John Byrne make this?
• [23:47] Dave’s essay: Part 3.
• [25:09] David’s thoughts.
• [29:58] The two styles of issues.
• [32:36] Dave’s essay: Part 4.
• [34:35] The fun short stories.
• [36:18] Does it get better towards the end?
• [40:40] What is Byrne trying to do?
• [41:48] Dave’s essay: Part 5.
• [44:32] Byrne’s pre-production process.

Notable Quotes

• “Star Trek: New Visions, John Byrne’s other masterpiece.”
• “Your perspective on this matter is all dependent on how hard you squint.”
• “Comics will absolutely break you.”
• “The obsessive, monastic ritual of making comics has to be fuelled somewhere.”

Relevant Links

David's Fun Stuff!
Did Someone Say Fun Time? Let's GO!

John is at PugW!
Pug Worldwide

For scary transcripts and spooky show notes!
www.thecornerbox.club

Episode Errata
The Comics Courier
Deep Cuts Podcast

Books Mentioned

• Star Trek: New Visions, by John Byrne.
• Alpha Flight, Babe, Danger Unlimited, Fantastic Four, Man of Steel, Next Men, She-Hulk, Uncanny X-Men, by John Byrne.
• Incredible Hulk (art: Dale Keown, Gary Frank, George Perez, Jeff Purves, Liam Sharp, Todd McFarlane), X-Factor, Young Justice, by Peter David.
• Justice League: Cry For Justice, by JT Krul.

More spooky goodness! John & David return for Part 2 of the Halloween Special! The guys talk about more of their favorite spooky comics, how to create a jump scare in a comic book, the perfect artist/writer balance, and the problematic trajectory of superheroes. Also, David has beef with Eisner Nominated Dave Baker.

Timestamp Segments

• [00:45] John’s spooky pick: When I Arrived At The Castle.
• [05:23] Creating a jump scare in a comic.
• [06:51] David’s spooky pick: Batman: Long Halloween #1.
• [10:32] A return to the true Batman.
• [12:28] The artist/writer balance.
• [18:10] When superheroes became too good.
• [23:03] John’s spooky pick: Dracula Book 1: The Impaler.

Notable Quotes

• “I think a good game. I can’t talk it, though.”
• “The writers keep thinking that they’re the most important thing, and they need to stop thinking that.”
• “Thanksgiving is Halloween for turkeys.”

Relevant Links

David's Frightfully Fun Stuff!
Did Someone Say Fun Time? Let's GO!

John is jump-scaring at PugW!
Pug Worldwide

For scary transcripts and spooky show notes!
www.thecornerbox.club

Episode Errata
www.emcarroll.com

Kickstarter: Dracula Book 2, by Matt Wagner and Kelley Jones

Bleeding Cool: DC To Give Fans What They Want

Books Mentioned

• Through The Woods, When I Arrived At The Castle, A Guest In The House, by E.m. Carroll.
• Batman: Long Halloween, by Jeph Loeb and Tim Sale.
• Dracula: Book 1 - The Impaler (Kickstarter), by Marr Wagner and Kelley Jones.
• ACME Novelty Library, by Chris Ware.
• Batman: Dark Victory, by Jeph Loeb and Tim Sale.
• Batman: Hush, by Jeph Loeb and Jim Lee.
• Batman & Dracula, by Doug Moench and Kelley Jones.
• Batman: Year One, by Frank Miller and David Mazzucchelli.
• #DRCL, by Shin’Ichi Sakamoto
• Eightball, by Daniel Clowes.
• Grendel, by Matt Wagner.
• Groo, by Sergio Aragones.
• Hate, by Peter Bagge.
• PeePee PooPoo, by Caroline Cash.