"Headship" isn't taught in the Bible and all the arguments in favor of it turn out to be weak arguments. So let's focus on what the Bible IS teaching us. At first, Zach returns to "headship" theories but Bruce redirects the discussion to the word patterns in Ephesians 5-6.

Bruce takes Zach to Ephesians 6:1-4. There they discuss not only the parallels with the Ten Commandments (Honor your father and mother) but also Leviticus 19:3 (Each of you shall fear his mother and father).

There is much more in Ephesians 5:15-6:9 to look at. We recommend our book Beyond Eden, Ephesians 5:15-6:9, the Great Mystery revealed: Mutually Submitting in Christ. It is available as an audiobook on Audible and as an eBook and paperback from Amazon.

Link to our interview with Andrew Bartlett: https://youtu.be/TJ95GAvnN-M?si=qyV64WgBXccHYoTE

The Tru316 Foundation (www.Tru316.com) is the home of The Eden Podcast with Bruce C. E. Fleming where we “true” the verse of Genesis 3:16. The Tru316 Message is that “God didn’t curse Eve (or Adam) or limit woman in any way.” Once Genesis 3:16 is made clear the other passages on women and men become clear too. You are encouraged to access the episodes of Seasons 1-11 of The Eden Podcast for teaching on the seven key passages on women and men. Are you a reader? We invite you to get from Amazon the four books by Bruce C. E. Fleming in The Eden Book Series (Tru316.com/trubooks). Would you like to support the work of the Tru316 Foundation? You can become a Tru Partner here: www.Tru316.com/partner

Della Olson, First Lady of the Evangelical Free Church published her support for women and ministry. Ruth Kantzer, First Lady of Trinity Evangelical Divinity School heartily agreed! Dr. Joy Fleming reads from Della's book and adds her personal reminiscences.

Should women lead in ministry? YES! And here is documentation that they did so across Scandinavia and North America in recent times.

Dr. Joy Fleming reads from Della Olson's book, "A Woman of Her Times." The subtitle is, "Stories of women who dared to place obedience to the commands of Christ above submission to the traditions of men." She recounts the stories of women who were leaders in ministry in Scandinavia and around the world in the 1800's and 1900's even though some wanted to restrict them from ministry. Della Olson was an executive, an editor, and an author as well as mother and wife of Dr. Arnold T. Olson, President of the Evangelical Free Church of America.

The Tru316 Foundation (www.Tru316.com) is the home of The Eden Podcast with Bruce C. E. Fleming where we “true” the verse of Genesis 3:16. The Tru316 Message is that “God didn’t curse Eve (or Adam) or limit woman in any way.” Once Genesis 3:16 is made clear the other passages on women and men become clear too. You are encouraged to access the episodes of Seasons 1-11 of The Eden Podcast for teaching on the seven key passages on women and men. Are you a reader? We invite you to get from Amazon the four books by Bruce C. E. Fleming in The Eden Book Series (Tru316.com/trubooks). Would you like to support the work of the Tru316 Foundation? You can become a Tru Partner here: www.Tru316.com/partner

THESE ARE THE PAGES straight from her dissertation! This SPECIAL episode is from the INTRODUCTION to the 407-page dissertation titled: "A Rhetorical Analysis of Genesis 2-3." Learn what she presented to the jury at the University of Strasbourg, France, on why to think again about the Hebrew words and word patterns in Genesis 2-3.

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The Tru316 Foundation (www.Tru316.com) is the home of The Eden Podcast with Bruce C. E. Fleming where we “true” the verse of Genesis 3:16. The Tru316 Message is that “God didn’t curse Eve (or Adam) or limit woman in any way.” Once Genesis 3:16 is made clear the other passages on women and men become clear too. You are encouraged to access the episodes of Seasons 1-11 of The Eden Podcast for teaching on the seven key passages on women and men. Are you a reader? We invite you to get from Amazon the four books by Bruce C. E. Fleming in The Eden Book Series (Tru316.com/trubooks). Would you like to support the work of the Tru316 Foundation? You can become a Tru Partner here: www.Tru316.com/partner