Explore the crossroads of faith, philosophy, and fiery political discourse. Join us as we sit down with Mike D'Virgilio, the man who's not just talking about change, but living it. Mike peels back the layers on the ideas pulling our nation apart and unveils why Christian nationalism isn’t what you think it is. He challenges believers to step boldly into politics and culture, forging unexpected alliances and championing discipleship across all spheres of influence. This eye-opening conversation promises to challenge your views and ignite your passion for faith in action!

Mike has a B.S. in Communication from Arizona State University and an M.A. in Systematic Theology from Westminster Theological Seminary Philadelphia. He is a Christian blogger, apologist. He’s written several great books, including the one where our topics are coming from on this episode: “Going Back To Find The Way Forward: Trump. A Great Awakening And The Refounding Of America.”

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FOLLOW ME OR CATCH THE SHOW ON: Christians4liberty.com Youtube: @jesusandliberty Rumble: https://rumble.com/c/AnatomyoftheChurchandState Apple Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/anatomy-of-the-church-and-state/id1743488566 X (formerly Twitter): @jesusandliberty Truth Social: @jesusandliberty TOPIC TIMELINE 00:00 Introduction 02:25 Mike's Testimony and Journey to Faith 08:04 Getting into Apologetics 09:56 Trump Came Down the Escalator and “The Way Forward…” 13:25 Steve Bannon and We Can Change Things 16:10 Where Did We Come From? 17:30 The Enlightenment and Rationalism were Disasters 21:20 Pietism Another Disaster 24:20 Economic Marxism 27:58 Four Things Marxists Want to Eliminate 28:48 Understanding Christian Nationalism 31:34 Bible and Nations 34:30 The Myth of Neutrality 39:14 Pastors and the Myth of Neutrality 43:34 Evangelism is not All We Need and the Four Rs 47:43 Church vs Kingdom 51:57 Will Christians Rise Up to Save America 54:30 Holding Optimism if Trump doesn’t Win 56:55 Action Items: Precinct Strategy 1:01:49 Eliminating the Myth of Neutrality Among Pastors 01:05:22 Alliances with Non-Christian Conservatives 01:08:46 Guest Closing Remarks 01:10:30 Closing Prayer