Honored to be joined by Doug Kiersey again as we jump into

Doug provides insights on current valuation trends, interest rates, and market dynamics. He notes that although interest rates have stabilized around 4.25%, the spread between industrial cap rates and treasury yields remains narrow, compelling investors to rely on rent growth rather than appreciation for returns. Doug anticipates moderate rent growth in 2025, driven by constrained supply due to significantly reduced development activity. We also cover challenges in the industrial sector, including overbuilt big-box warehouses in certain markets and potential pressures on vacancy rates. Doug emphasizes investing in high-quality, infill assets with sustainable competitive advantages. They also explore challenges such as power capacity constraints, the rise of automation, and political opposition to industrial developments.

About Doug:

Douglas A. Kiersey, Jr., is CEO and President of Dermody and oversees all of the company’s operations and strategic initiatives including capital formation, acquisition, development, and investment management activities. He is a member of the Dermody Properties Advisory Board and chairs the company’s Executive and Investment Committees. Since Mr. Kiersey joined the company in 2011, Dermody has developed and acquired industrial logistics assets with an aggregate value in excess of $10 billion.

Mr. Kiersey has more than 35 years of experience in logistics properties in major U.S. markets. Prior to joining Dermody, he spent 17 years at Prologis in various senior roles. Prior to joining Prologis, Mr. Kiersey worked at Cushman & Wakefield for 11 years.

Mr. Kiersey earned his Bachelor of Science degree in business administration from Oregon State University, and an M.B.A. from the J.L. Kellogg Graduate School of Management at Northwestern University where he is an occasional guest lecturer and a member of the Kellogg Real Estate Advisory Council. He is also a member of the Urban Land Institute (ULI) and the Society of Industrial and Office Realtors (SIOR). Among other distinctions, Mr. Kiersey was elected Captain of the Palisades Elementary School Safety Patrol where he learned early lessons in risk management.

Dermody website: https://dermody.com/

News!

Dermody Properties—a diversified private equity investment management company focused exclusively on the national logistics real estate sector—is pleased to announce it has adopted a concise new name, Dermody. The streamlined name better reflects how the company is commonly recognized in the industry, and positions Dermody for continued growth, expansion and innovation.

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I was pleased to be joined by the illustrious Dr. Peter Linneman to get his thoughts on the economy, tariffs and the industrial real estate market!

In the interview Dr. Peter Linneman shares his perspective on current events in the industrial real estate market, emphasizing the importance of cutting through the noise to focus on fundamental economic indicators such as job growth, GDP trends, and capital flows. He uses an analogy of trying to predict the Super Bowl winner 10 years from now to illustrate the futility of long-term market forecasts based on short-term events. Linneman discusses the state of various real estate sectors, noting that office spaces have bottomed out and are starting to recover, while industrial warehouses, particularly big-box facilities, have experienced overbuilding but are expected to absorb excess supply due to steady demand growth. He also addresses reshoring and manufacturing, stating it will remain limited due to higher labor costs in the U.S., and emphasizes America’s economic strength due to robust capital markets and innovation. Linneman remains optimistic about the resilience and long-term strength of the U.S. economy despite ongoing challenges.

About Dr. Linneman:

For nearly 45 years, Dr. Peter Linneman's unique blend of scholarly rigor and practical business insight has won him accolades from around the world, including PREA's prestigious Graaskamp Award for Real Estate Research, Wharton's Zell-Lurie Real Estate Center's Lifetime Achievement Award, Realty Stock Magazine's Special Achievement Award, being named "One of the 25 Most Influential People in Real Estate" by Realtor Magazine and inclusion in The New York Observer's "100 Most Powerful People in New York Real Estate".

After receiving both his Masters and Doctorate in Economics under the tutelage of Nobel Prize winners Milton Friedman, Gary Becker, George Stigler, Ted Schultz and Jim Heckman, Peter had a distinguished academic career at both The University of Chicago and the Wharton School of Business at the University of Pennsylvania. For 35 years, he was a leading member of Wharton's faculty, serving as the Albert Sussman Professor of Real Estate, Finance and Public Policy as well as the Founding Chairman of the Real Estate Department and Director of the prestigious Zell-Lurie Real Estate Center. During this time, he was co-editor of The Wharton Real Estate Review. He has published over 100 scholarly articles, eight editions of the acclaimed book Real Estate Finance and Investments: Risks and Opportunities, and the widely read Linneman Letter quarterly report. He is also the co-creator of the popular, and highly regarded, Real Estate Finance and Investment Certification course, REFAI. Most recently, he co-authored (with Dr. Michael Roizen and Albert Ratner) the best-selling book "The Great Age Reboot: Cracking the Longevity Code for a Younger Tomorrow."

Peter's long and ongoing business career is highlighted by his roles as Founding Principal of Linneman Associates, LLC, a leading real estate advisory firm, and its affiliates. For more than 40 years, he has advised leading corporations and served on over 20 public and private boards, including serving as Chairman of Rockefeller Center Properties, where he led the successful restructuring and sale of Rockefeller Center in the mid-1990s.

Although retired from Wharton's faculty, Dr. Linneman continues his commitment to education through his SAM Elimu educational charity for orphans and children of extreme poverty in rural Kenya. He has been married for nearly 50 years and remains an exercise enthusiast.

Connect with Dr. Linneman:

Website: https://www.linnemanassociates.com/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/peterlinneman/

SAM Elimu charity: https://www.samelimucharity.org/

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I don't mince words when I say this:

Bob Knakal is the Greatest of All Time.

An amazing broker and an even better person, I was honored to be joined by him again where we did a deep dive into how he has built a legendary career on the foundation of prospecting for new clients.

About Bob:

Bob Knakal also known as "BK" has been a broker in NYC since 1984. Over that time, he has brokered the sale of over 2,341  buildings having a market value of approximately $22 billion.

For 26 years of those years (1988-2014), he owned and ran Massey Knakal Realty Services, which sold more than 3x the number of properties as the #2 firm in NYC from 2001-2014. Running the firm with a Servant Leadership management style, focusing on empowering everyone on the team, intensely training them, and building their self-esteem, led to this overwhelmingly dominant platform. The firm was sold to Cushman & Wakefield in 2014 for $100 million.

The Massey Knakal Legacy is illustrated by the fact that today in the New York City investment sales market, there are 30 companies, or divisions of companies, that are either owned by, or run by, folks who learned the business at Massey Knakal. 

Bob is a prominent thought leader in the commercial real estate business, frequently writing about the market, lecturing on the market, and appearing on podcasts and national television shows on networks like Fox, CNBC and MSNBC.

Connect with Bob:

Website: https://www.bkrea.com/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bobknakal

X: https://twitter.com/BobKnakal

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