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The Jabot

The Jabot

By: Kathryn Rubino at Above the Law
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We are an offshoot of the Above the Law legal blog. But we are focused on the challenges women, people of color, LGBTQIA, and other diverse populations face in the legal industry. Let's be real -- it can suck out there. So we want to create a space where our community can come together share stories, find support and devise strategies. Our name comes from none other than the Notorious Ruth Bader Ginsburg and the jabot (decorative collar) she wears when delivering dissents from the bench. It's a reminder that --even when we aren't winning, we're still a powerful force to be reckoned with.2023 Breaking Media, Inc Career Success Economics Philosophy Social Sciences
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  • Frustrated With Your Legal Career? You Can Do Something About That with Cecilia Poullain - Episode 202
    Jun 20 2025

    In this episode, host Kathryn Rubino chats with Cecilia Poullain, an international executive coach and former lawyer. Cecilia shares insightful career transitions from law to coaching, focusing on empowering women to become partners in law firms. The episode uncovers the hidden challenges of partnership, the importance of confidence, and striking a work-life balance. Cecilia’s personal stories reveal the necessity of understanding one’s true career desires. A must-listen for aspiring partners and those questioning their legal career path.

    Highlights

    • Transitioning from law to executive coaching.

    • Valuable skills from a legal background in the financial sector.

    • Discovering a path through Gestalt therapy.

    • Challenges in the partnership journey for women.

    • The hidden skills needed for partnership.

    • Confidence issues and perfectionism in law.

    • The loneliness and mental health in law firms.

    • Recognizing and utilizing emotional intelligence in law.

    • Balancing personal life with demanding legal careers.

    • Flexibility in work arrangements as a solution.

    • Navigating personal goals within rigid law firm structures.

    • Coaching focus: achieving partnership to improve firm culture.

    Episode Sponsored By

    • https://www.lexisnexis.com/lexisplus

    Links and Resources

    • https://www.ceciliapoullain.com/

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    26 mins
  • Biglaw Partner Shares What It's Really Like To Work In Intellectual Property Law with Olga Berson - Episode 201
    May 23 2025

    Kathryn Rubino chats with Olga Berson partner at Thompson Coburn. Olga shares her journey from a scientist to a top patent attorney, tackling AI’s impact on patentability and the evolving biosimilar litigation. Her unique insights and balance between law and ballroom dancing make it an inspiring episode!

    Highlights

    • Path from science to patent law.

    • Patent lawyers as the geeks of the law field.

    • Collaborating across legal disciplines.

    • Day-to-day life of a patent partner.

    • Unique career spanning patent prosecution, litigation, and more.

    • Key issues: Patent eligibility and AI.

    • Patent law and its challenges with biotech and AI.

    • Balancing AI’s role in innovation and patentability.

    • AI hallucinations and legal implications.

    • Lateral move to Thompson Coburn and its appeal.

    • Combining a demanding career with ballroom dancing.

    • Advice for aspiring patent lawyers: Build client trust.

    Episode Sponsored By

    • https://www.lexisnexis.com/lexisplus

    Links and Resources

    • https://www.linkedin.com/in/olga-berson-phd-patent-attorney/
    • https://www.thompsoncoburn.com/people/olga-berson-ph-d/

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    22 mins
  • Getting Real About Being A Divorce Lawyer with Padideh Jafari - Episode 200
    May 16 2025

    Kathryn Rubino chats with Padideh Jafari founder and CEO of Jafari Law and Mediation Office. Discover Padideh’s inspiring journey from a five-year-old aspiring lawyer to a successful family law practitioner and advocate. With fascinating insights into handling high-conflict divorce cases, Jafari offers valuable advice for budding lawyers on balancing a demanding career with personal well-being. Tune in for a dose of inspiration and practical tips.

    Highlights

    • Inspiration to pursue law from age five.

    • Overcoming skepticism and pursuing legal education.

    • Challenges and attrition in law school leading to camaraderie.

    • Early passion and varied legal experiences.

    • Balancing personal interest with market demand.

    • The advantage of pre-law school attorney roles.

    • Choosing family law despite initial reluctance.

    • Importance of work experience during law school.

    • Specializing in high-conflict cases and mediation.

    • Integrating technology like AI into law practice.

    • Significance of community involvement in legal practice.

    Episode Sponsored By

    • https://www.lexisnexis.com/lexisplus

    Links and Resources

    • https://www.instagram.com/jafarilegal/?hl=es-la

    • https://www.youtube.com/@jafarilegal

    • https://www.tiktok.com/@jafarilegal

    • https://x.com/jafarilawfirm

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    25 mins
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