On this episode of The Litigation War Room, host Max Goss speaks with seasoned trial lawyer, professor, and author Shane Read about his book, Winning at Deposition, and about what it takes to master deposition strategies and techniques.

Max and Shane break down high-profile (and entertaining) cases involving President Bill Clinton and Microsoft founder Bill Gates to highlight common pitfalls and best practices for depositions. Their conversation covers the crucial importance of depositions in modern litigation, the strategic reasons for taking or not taking a deposition, and how best to prepare for a deposition. Because, as Shane makes clear, winning at depositions means having a clear case strategy and a bottom line message from day one.

00:20 Guest Introduction: Shane Reed

00:33 Discussing Deposition Strategies

01:36 Shane Reed's Background and Career

03:19 The Crucial Role of Deposition Testimony

04:53 Reasons to Take or Not Take a Deposition

07:11 Effective Deposition Techniques

17:00 The Role of Preparation in Depositions

20:22 Handling Forgetful Witnesses

24:47 The Importance of Preparation

25:36 Bill Gates's Antitrust Testimony

27:52 The Art of Persistent Questioning

31:33 President Clinton's Infamous Deposition

34:31 A Heated Exchange in a Deposition Room

38:18 Common Mistakes Lawyers Make in Depositions

40:09 Insights on Remote Depositions

43:16 Final Thoughts and Key Takeaways

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On this podcast episode, litigation attorney Maxwell Goss hosts the insightful and funny Suzanne Lucas, better known as the Evil HR Lady. Suzanne has had a multifaceted career as an HR writer, keynote speaker, webinar company owner, and improvisational comedian.

Suzanne brings serious insights and her own witty brand of advice to a host of HR topics, including common mistakes employers make that can lead to lawsuits, the changing world of non-compete agreements, and the challenges of remote work. Suzanne also offers her candid (“Sorry if this gets you canceled, Max!”) views on gender and age discrimination and the impact of artificial intelligence in HR, and provides practical advice on handling employee terminations.

The personal anecdotes and valuable insights that Max and Suzanne share make this a great listen for litigating attorneys, HR professionals, and anyone interested in becoming a savvier, more effective leader in the workplace.

00:18 Meet Suzanne Lucas, the Evil HR Lady

02:12 What improv has to do with Leadership Training

04:29 Why 'Evil HR Lady'?

05:42 Human resources and legal intersections

07:50 Common HR missteps and how to avoid them

22:14 The use and abuse of AI in employee recruiting

23:21 The career impact of parenthood

24:03 AI and gender bias in the workplace

27:57 Legal complications created by remote work

35:36 The changing landscape of non-compete agreements

40:17 Best practices for employee termination

44:57 Suzanne’s final thoughts

The Litigation War Room kicks off Season 2 with an interview with Justin Brooks, founder of the California Innocence Project and author of You Might Go to Prison, Even Though You’re Innocent. Justin speaks with host Maxwell Goss about his work exonerating the wrongfully convicted. He brings both realism and hope in sharing his amazing and moving stories from the front lines of our justice system.

00:24 Introduction to Justin Brooks and his work

01:21 Expanding innocence projects in Latin America

04:10 Justin's defense of football star Brian Banks

08:10 The journey of writing You Might Go to Prison, Even Though You're Innocent

09:44 Justin's appeal to the reader's self-interest

14:14 Defense of a client sentenced to death on a plea bargain

23:44 Defense of a client convicted based on false identification

29:53 Defense of client convicted because of debunked science

33:59 Advancements in forensic science and DNA testing

39:10 How cases come to the Innocence Project

46:37 Challenges and reflections on the criminal justice system

The Litigation War Room is hosted by litigation lawyer Maxwell Goss. Max represents clients in trade secret, intellectual property, and business cases throughout Michigan and around the country, bringing forceful advocacy and creative solutions to every case he handles.

Maxwell Goss is back in The Litigation War Room with the perfect blend of happy hour and litigation masterclass, where you'll hear leading litigation attorneys and thought leaders share their best war stories and winning strategies.

We're talking about actionable insights that will help you elevate your litigation game and win more cases.

Here's a preview:

• Attorney and author Justin Brooks will share about how an innocence project director helps get the wrongly convicted off death row.
• Deposition expert Shane Reed will offer important lessons about examining witnesses for maximum impact.
• Suzanne Lucas, the evil HR lady, will join us for a lighthearted discussion about what HR professionals want every attorney to know.
• IP attorney Chris Darrow will give us a peek behind the scenes of what a special master does in litigation and how to make the best use of them.

In addition to the attorney interviews you know and love, we will be mixing it up this season with author interviews, roundtables, and voices outside the law. It's going to be a lot of fun. I hope you'll join us on the Litigation War Room Season 2.

Learn more about Maxwell Goss and The Litigation War Room.

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• Justin Brooks - School of Law - University of San Diego
• Christopher G. Darrow — Special Master
• Evil HR Lady — Demystifying Your Human Resources Department

Attorney and host Maxwell Goss interviews Michelle Harrell, a partner and litigation attorney at Taft Law. Michelle tells the entertaining story of her epic, six-year battle against the City of Pontiac on behalf of her client, the owner of a commercial office complex in the City of Pontiac. Michelle discusses the twists and turns in the case and the amazing result she got for her client. This conversation includes many great takeaways for real estate litigation and for the litigation practice in general.

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• 00:18 – Introduction
• 01:54 – About Michelle Harrell
• 03:02 – Michelle on real estate litigation
• 03:38 – Ottawa Towers vs. City of Pontiac
• 24:25 – Condemnation action
• 37:34 – Michelle's advice for property disputes
• 40:36 – Litigating against the government

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On this episode, Maxwell Goss has a wide-ranging discussion with business litigator Mark Rossman of Rossman P.C., including war stories about business litigation and insights for building and managing a successful law firm.

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• 00:18 – Introduction
• 02:00 – About Mark Rossman
• 04:23 – Mark’s “Separation Litigation” Practice
• 12:45 – The shark and the moose
• 19:14 – The Bob Seger case
• 23:24 – Building a law firm
• 31:20 – The Business Law Symposium
• 34:02 – On niche practices

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On this episode, Maxwell Goss interviews Jerome Pesick, a leading litigator in the areas of eminent domain and land use law. A frequent author and speaker on eminent domain topics, Jerry is a trusted authority for several print and broadcast news outlets.

Jerry discusses some of the important matters he has handled, including a landmark case in which he secured for his client the largest eminent domain verdict in Michigan history. Throughout the interview, Jerry also provides useful insights on selecting a jury and on the unique challenges of litigating against government entities.

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• 00:18 – Introduction
• 01:32 – About Jerome Pesick
• 02:56 – What is eminent domain?
• 07:28 – Detroit v. Detroit Plaza Ltz. Partnership
• 17:04 – Juries and eminent domain
• 18:54 – Gordie Howe International Bridge
• 23:15 – Litigating against government entities
• 25:10 – Local politics and eminent domain
• 27:45 – Where to find Jerome Pesick online

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Jerry Pesick’s practice areas include eminent domain, condemnation, land use, and property taxation. Over his more than 40-year career, he has tried and settled condemnation cases across Michigan for tens of millions of dollars. He also regularly represents clients in major tax appeal cases involving all types of business properties throughout the state. Well-known for his talents and accomplishments, Jerry has represented clients in virtually every major condemnation project in Michigan, such as the Gordie Howe International Bridge; Poletown; the Detroit Waterfront Casino and Reclamation Project; Comerica Park and Ford Field; the I-696, M-59, M-5, Northwestern Connectors; and many others.

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On this podcast episode, Maxwell Goss interviews celebrity divorce lawyer Christopher Melcher. Chris has been quoted and featured in media outlets including ABC News, CNN, Fox News, USA Today, and Entertainment Tonight. Chris gives his take on the Johnny Depp-Amber Heard trial and the custody battles between Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie. He also provides insights for all lawyers on how to handle cases involving explosive personal allegations.

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• 00:18 – Introduction
• 01:12 – About Christopher Melcher
• 02:55 – How Chris got into celebrity divorce law
• 05:08 – Johnny Depp v. Amber Heard
• 13:58 – The "Me Too" movement and the Depp/Heard trial
• 18:39 – Likeability and credibility
• 24:15 – The verdict and its implications
• 26:11 – The Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie saga
• 33:40 – Advice to attorneys handling bad facts
• 36:36 – The pros and cons of going public
• 39:08 – Where to find Chris Melcher online

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Christopher Melcher represents A-list celebrities, business owners, and trust beneficiaries in high-stakes divorces. With deep experience in complex family law litigation and premarital agreements, Chris provides tactical representation in the most challenging family law disputes. Chris has presented about 200 continuing legal education programs on complex family law issues, and wrote the only treatise on California premarital agreement law. Chris is also an adjunct professor of family law at Pepperdine University School of Law in Malibu.

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• About Chris Melcher
• Chris Melcher on the Johnny Depp-Amber Heard Trial on ABC
• Chris Melcher on the Brangelina Split on Good Morning Britain

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