This week, we’re opening up about the side of infertility that doesn’t always get airtime: the grief, despair, deep, lingering sadness.

We talk about why infertility can feel like a cycle of constant loss, what disenfranchised grief really means, and how we’ve each coped (or crumbled) along the way.

From crying in toilet cubicles to facing the big “what if it never happens?”, this one’s honest and raw.

We also share what’s helping us cope. From catching intrusive thoughts early, to creating space for grief (even when it’s messy).

If you’re in the thick of it, or just need to feel a little less alone, we’re right here with you.

Notes:

0:20 - What's knocked Emma since reflecting on the last episode? 3:00 - Definitions of sadness, dispair and grief 6:05 - Infertility is a cyclical griefing process 08:17 - Grief is as unique as your fingerprint 08:39 - What is disenfranchised grief? 10:00 - Self-imposing grief and deciding on the end point 11:05 - How can you grieve infertility when it's not tangible? 11:35 - The neuroplasticity of grief and how your mind processes grief 13:20 - What if a child never materialises? 15:38 - Grief just wants space 18:45 - Understanding infertility if you've never experienced it 19:38 - The reality of talking about grief out loud 23:58 - Breaking down grief and how it played out for us both 31:15 - Is it possilbe to get to a place for acceptance? 34:39 - Feeling sad for all the strong women going through this 36:15 - Hiding in a toilet cubicle crying 37:41 - When dispair hits you hard 40:10 - Catching catastrophic thoughts early 41:08 - Starting to prepare for the 'what if's' and the worst 47:02 - What is helping Lara deal with this journey 51:40 - Looking back on Emma's journey 54:12 - Coping with intrusive thoughts 59:00 - Final reflections

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In this episode, we're switching things up slightly as Lara takes us inside her recent "IVF Bootcamp" experience and the results of her 4th egg collection.

We're also chatting about the surprising similarities between excitement and dread and the times we've felt both bubbling away during our fertility rollercoaster rides. Stick the kettle on and come and join us!

Show Notes:

0:12 - What happens during an IVF "bootcamp"? 4:44 - Lara's 4th egg collection results 7:50 - Definition of excitement & dread 9:31 - Emma's biggest moment of dread 10:33 - When your embryologist gets excited 12:58 - What's next for Lara juggling three clinics? 13:50 - The surprising similarity between excitement and anxiety 15:35 - Lara's biggest moment of dread 17:50 - When dread and excitement combine in one pee 20:40 - When a positive pregnancy test brings up feelings of dread 23:35 - Early pregnancy scares 26:20 - Lara's next transfer protocol 28:29 - What made the difference in Emma's successful cycle 30:55 - When Emma reached peak levels of excitement 35:05 - Emma predicts Lara's next transfer outcome.. You heard it here first! 35:06 - Letting your older children in on the excitement 37:47 - Reflecting on how Lara is feeling about her upcoming transfer

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Let’s be real — when you’re going through infertility, disappointment and even full-blown anger are just part of the ride. In this episode, we’re getting honest about our own ups and downs with these tough emotions and sharing what’s actually helped us cope. We’re chatting about everything from manifestation and faith purchases to prayer, list-making, feedback loops, mindset shifts, and good old reality checks. If you’re feeling stuck or overwhelmed, this one’s packed with real talk and resilience tips to help you through it.