In this special reprise of the Jim Wallis Podcast, we revisit a vital conversation with Heather McGhee, author of The Sum of Us. As we navigate the turbulence of the second Trump administration—marked by escalating racial divisions, attacks on truth, and deepening inequality—Heather’s insights are more urgent than ever.

This episode cuts to the heart of systemic racism’s cost—not just to people of color, but to all of us. Heather reveals how racial animus drains our collective resources and weakens our democracy, using powerful examples like the draining of public pools after desegregation—a metaphor for how fear and division erode the public good.

With the nation facing unprecedented challenges to justice, truth, and faith, Heather’s call for healing, narrative change, and courageous policy action reminds us that our shared future depends on confronting these root issues—especially now.

Replaying this conversation during a time of intense social and political upheaval is essential. It challenges us to move beyond zero-sum thinking toward a vision of America where we are truly better together.

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Join Jim Wallis in this compelling episode as he sits down with Reverend Carlos Malave, President of the Latino Christian National Network, to discuss the escalating impact of immigration enforcement, ICE militarization, and the courageous resistance rising from Latino communities and faith leaders. Drawing from powerful personal stories and urgent national developments, Rev. Malave exposes the deep fear gripping immigrant neighborhoods, the tangible effects on church life, and how Christians are responding with bold acts of compassion and nonviolent resistance. Discover how policy, faith, and human dignity intersect in today’s America and why unity, courage, and hope are more crucial than ever for a just future. Don’t miss this eye-opening conversation that challenges, inspires, and calls listeners to action.

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Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Nicholas Kristof joins Jim Wallis for a powerful, urgent conversation about the moral crisis facing America and the world. Together, they explore

• the devastating and deadly impacts of humanitarian aid cuts,
• the role of faith and truth in public life, and
• the stories of real people affected by policy decisions.

Tune in for a deeply human discussion on justice, empathy, and the courage to speak out.

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