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In this thought-provoking conversation, legendary author and experiencer Whitley Strieber joins Kelly and Jay to discuss his groundbreaking new book, The Fourth Mind. Whitley explores the anatomy, intelligence, and consciousness of the beings he refers to as "the Visitors"—entities many associate with the Greys. He shares profound insights into their nature, their relationship to time, and why their presence on Earth may be more intertwined with us than we realize.

This episode takes a deep dive into:

🔹 How our brains struggle to process encounters with the unknown

🔹 The concept of the "fourth mind" and why it's missing in us but not in them

🔹 The Visitors' relationship to time and their desperate need to reconnect with the present moment

🔹 The risks and rewards of telepathic contact with non-human intelligence

🔹 The role of experiencers in shaping our collective understanding of these phenomena

Whitley also opens up about his lifelong experiences, the mysterious nature of the Visitors, and the deeper implications of our interactions with them. Prepare for a conversation that will challenge your perceptions of reality.

Mentioned in This Episode

📖 The Fourth Mind by Whitley Strieber –https://a.co/d/3Tj8G2i

📚 Them by Whitley Strieber – https://a.co/d/gqYziUQ

🎥 Cosmosis: UFOs & A New Reality – Watch at Cosmosis.Media

🎙️ Dreamland Podcast – Hosted by Whitley Strieber at UnknownCountry.com

💫 Stay Tuned for Part 2 Next Week!

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TIMESTAMPS:

00:00 Introduction and Welcome

01:43 Introducing Whitley Strieber

06:16 Exploring the Fourth Mind Concept

09:57 The Visitors and Their Nature

14:34 Communion and Its Significance

19:57 Differences and Similarities with the Grays

28:01 The Role of the Visitors in Human History

33:07 Exploring Subjectivity and Objectivity in Phenomena

37:01 Meditation and Contact Work

38:44 The Nature of the Greys

40:28 Experiencing the Visitors

47:37 The Importance of Telepathy

01:00:16 The Urgency of the Fourth Mind

01:03:10 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

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In this episode of Cosmosis, Kelly Chase and Jay Christopher King welcome back experiencer Courtney Leffall, whose story was featured in Cosmosis: UFOs & A New Reality. Together, they explore the deeply personal and societal implications of anomalous experiences, the role of disclosure, and how we integrate these experiences into our lives. Courtney shares his thoughts on government transparency, the connection between UFOs and ancestral spirits, and the need for interdisciplinary collaboration in understanding these phenomena.

This episode of Cosmosis offers a deeply personal and intellectual dive into the experiencer phenomenon, government disclosure, and the spiritual implications of UFO contact. Courtney Leffall provides a unique and necessary perspective, bridging religious, cultural, and experiencer narratives to offer a more holistic view of what may be unfolding.

Listeners are left with a challenge: Can we break down our own biases and expand the conversation to include perspectives we may have previously dismissed?

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Timestamps & Key Topics:

00:00:00 – Introduction: Future Human Hypothesis & Consciousness 00:01:12 – Welcome & Podcast Background
00:03:25 – Courtney’s UFO Encounter: Intelligent Control
00:05:37 – What Disclosure Means: Government Transparency & Secrecy 00:08:14 – Trust & Testimony: Do We Need Government Validation? 00:14:09 – High Strangeness: Beyond UFO Sightings
00:18:42 – Breaking Silos: Scientists, Experiencers & Philosophers 00:23:56 – Integrating Anomalous Experiences: Self-Acceptance 00:29:33 – UFOs & The Dead: Ancestral Spirits & Contact
00:38:21 – CE5 & Summoning: The Risks of Contact
00:45:45 – Are UFOs Demonic? Faith & The Phenomenon
00:51:18 – Race, Culture & The UFO Community
00:58:06 – Inclusivity: Expanding the Conversation
01:08:44 – What the Phenomenon Tells Us About Humanity
01:11:29 – Final Thoughts & Call to Action

In the first episode of Cosmosis, we’re bringing you one of the most compelling experiencer stories we’ve ever encountered. Courtney Leffall had never told his story publicly before it appeared in our docuseries Cosmosis: UFOs & A New Reality, and once you hear it, you’ll understand why. His experiences don’t fit neatly into any single category—crossing the boundaries between psi phenomena, precognition, UFO encounters, messages from dead ancestors, and even the eerie mystery of cattle mutilations.

There’s a hidden thread connecting these phenomena—one that the mainstream conversation about UFOs often ignores. Courtney’s story is a rare and striking example of how deep that thread runs and how impossible it is to untangle. His experiences force us to confront an unsettling question: What if the reality we think we know is just the smallest fraction of what actually exists?

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