Today, a conversation with Dr. Claudia Bernhardt Pacheco about living in the spiritual world. I'm Richard Lloyd Jones.

It was the Police back in the early '80s that approached the subject of us being spirits in a material world. A typically spare and rhythm driven track that was catchy and infectious. They were an interesting band.

But, while they were observing the bleak political situation we lived in, it may have been no more than the complaining of youth searching for an answer but with no solutions to offer.

After all, criticism is not change, is it?

I remember back in that time going through my own social protest period, writing anti-nuke radio ads and joining numerous environmental groups in the naive belief that made me part of the solution, not part of the problem.

I'm much more sophisticated about social change today, recognizing that the evil we accuse the system of power of resides in us all. And especially more cognizant that there's a formidable spiritual influence on top of us constantly. And most of us have no idea about that. So let's dive into that spiritual wisdom.

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Dr. Norberto Keppe, the developer of the psychoanalytical science used by Claudia Bernhardt Pacheco on this podcast, has written extensively about sociopathology, which is the application of psychological conditions to society at large. 

Quite innovative really. So, as we might analyze an individual's neurotic response to an everyday situation, we could also recognize an equally neurotic law or institutional bureaucratic hurdle.

Our modern society is displaying psychotic tendencies even in our continued use of war and terrorism to resolve conflicts. We live on a beautiful planet that offers abundance or everything we need to live well, and we destroy it or dominate it to have power and so deprive others of it, etc. etc. All the litany of problems we see on the planet are evidence of our pathological attitudes and even institutions.

Our analysis session today deals with one person's attempts to reconcile the difficulty in trying to fit in to a very unhealthy American society. And how turning that pathology back on herself demonstrates a strong suicidal attitude.

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We are always, in our programs, trying to get to the psychological and spiritual causes behind our physical and emotional problems. It's a journey that Norberto Keppe's Integral Psychoanalysis is well positioned to embark on

Keppe has synthesized Freud's psychoanalytical methodology, Melanie Klein's observations on envy and gratitude, classical German psychiatric findings on megalomania and arrogance, Socrates' dialectics, and Aquinas' discussion of the perfect inner structure of man with his own discoveries of Inversion and psycho-socio pathology that lead us to oppose what's good in and around us.

This, I think, is unique in his work: we are good by nature, by Creation, but we have attitudes against that constantly. And we need means of becoming conscious of that or it will dominate us.

In today's episode, a fascinating conversation that leads a man to see that the family abuse he suffered he's now unconsciously continuing on himself because of a total blindness to his own weakness. Here's Dr. Claudia Bernhardt Pacheco to set the table.

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