• Trump is 'autocratic and imperious' - Michael Gove
    Jul 25 2025

    Michael Gove, now Lord Gove of Torry in the City of Aberdeen, was a cabinet minister under David Cameron, Theresa May, Boris Johnson and Rishi Sunak. He ran to be leader of the Conservatives twice, famously killed off Boris Johnson's first tilt at the top job but backed him on Brexit, spectacularly falling out with David Cameron in the process in a drama portrayed in sometimes excruciating detail in a book by his ex-wife Sarah Vine. He has now gone back to his first trade of journalism as editor of the Spectator magazine.

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    59 mins
  • Jacinda Ardern on how to lead, Trump and Israel-Iran
    Jun 17 2025

    Jacinda Ardern is arguably the most globally famous and lauded New Zealand Prime Minister of modern times.

    Her international profile began with her being the world's youngest head of government at thirty seven, who within months had a baby and took it all in her stride.

    But it was her response to the horrific terrorist attack on mosques in Christchurch that gave her hero status amongst progressives around the world - embracing the muslim community in New Zealand and passing strict gun laws in response.

    Her six years as prime minister also meant dealing with the covid pandemic, and the fury and conspiracy theories around lockdowns and vaccines that came with it - many of which targeted her personally. And then in January 2023 - as suddenly as she had arrived on the global stage, she stood down. Her book, A Different Kind of Power, is perhaps the most sensitive and candid account of a leader you could ask for, framed around her desire to be remembered for her kindness.


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    35 mins
  • Want to live to 100? Here’s how - Devi Sridhar
    Jun 13 2025

    Whilst life expectancy is declining in the UK and America and other high-income countries, some tech billionaires have become obsessed with life longevity - but which factors really impact how long we live and when we die?

    Public health expert Devi Sridhar speaks to Krishnan Guru-Murthy on Ways to Change the World about the launch of her new book 'How not to die (Too Soon).

    She explains how changing our public health policy could improve life expectancy, what the UK can learn from other countries when it comes to health, and what her own cancer diagnosis taught her about the state of the NHS’ waiting list times.


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    41 mins
  • Comedian Stewart Lee on why he won't tour Trump's America
    May 8 2025

    Once described as the 'comedian's comedian' Stewart Lee has been performing stand up since 1988.

    He is known for pushing boundaries with his intelligent, self-referential and often provocative style of comedy but in his new show 'Stewart Lee vs the Man Wulf' he questions his place on the comedy circuit in an era of increasing populism rhetoric and the popularity of, in his words “$60m Netflix comedians of hate.”

    In this episode of Ways to Change the World with Krishnan Guru-Murthy he discusses the state of comedy today and what he thinks of the comedy style of comics like Ricky Gervais and Dave Chappelle as well as why he wouldn't tour America right now.

    As The Observer, the world's oldest Sunday newspaper begins a new era under Tortoise media he also reflects on his column for the paper which he's stopped after 15 years.

    Produced by Holly Snelling and Sachin Croker

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    42 mins
  • Meet the most important person in British theatre - Indhu Rubasingham
    Apr 30 2025

    Newly appointed National Theatre Director Indhu Rubasingham becomes the first woman and person of colour to lead the theatre in it's 60 year history.

    She sat down with Krishnan Guru-Murthy to discuss art, diversity and censorship and taking on her 'dream job.'

    Produced by Holly Snelling and Vik Patel.

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    24 mins
  • ‘Antidepressants are like alcohol or cannabis’ | Joanna Moncrieff
    Apr 17 2025

    Joanna Moncrieff is a British psychiatrist, author and researcher who is a prominent and controversial voice in the research of depression.

    Her 2002 study ‘The Serotonin Theory of Depression: A Systematic Umbrella Review of the Evidence’ concluded that there was no link between serotonin and depression, debunking the mainstream medical belief in antidepressants.

    Moncrieff, whose research has drawn criticism from ‘Big pharma’ and support from fringe figures on the right, speaks to Krishnan Guru-Murthy in the latest episode of Ways to Change the World.

    Produced by Silvia Maresca, Ka Yee Mak and Tom Gordon-Martin.

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    32 mins
  • Why our prisons are broken - and how to fix them | expert explains
    Apr 10 2025

    Pia Sinha worked in prisons for 24 years before being appointed CEO of the charity Prison Reform Trust and she describes herself as a "ridiculously optimistic" person, who believes the prisons can be made to work properly.

    Sinha started her career in prison as a psychologist and went on to work in female, male prisons and institutions for young offenders. She was the governor at three prisons and later was responsible for all the women’s prisons in the country.

    Sinha, who believes many of the prisoners in the UK should not be behind bars, speaks to Krishnan Guru-Murthy in the latest episode of Ways to Change the World.

    Produced by Silvia Maresca, Ka Yee Mak and Tom Gordon-Martin.

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    36 mins
  • Mike Berners-Lee: Why dishonesty is destroying the planet
    Apr 3 2025

    Sustainability expert and professor Mike Berners-Lee argues that dishonesty in politics, business, and the media is one of the biggest barriers to tackling global crises like climate change, social inequality, and environmental destruction.

    In this episode of Ways to Change the World, he talks to Krishnan Guru-Murthy about the need for a cultural shift where honesty is valued, and where deceit in public life carries real consequences. Without this, he warns, we risk making the world's biggest challenges even harder to solve.

    Produced by Silvia Maresca, Ka Yee Mak, Tom Gordon-Martin.

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    45 mins