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What's Sober Anyway?: a Conversation with Jennifer Good

What's Sober Anyway?: a Conversation with Jennifer Good

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 My conversation with Jennifer Good, a non-drinking, carceral abolitionist and psychotherapist, took a beautifully meandering journey from discussing addiction stereotypes to what to do about the societal and personal harm that results. We muse about what the state of sobriety means, and how some definitions slip into purity culture.  Since the conversation behaved a bit like poetry, I've also included the poem Jennifer mentioned by the poet Rumi as an epilogue to the episode. 
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