Humane
How the United States Abandoned Peace and Reinvented War
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Samuel Moyn
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A prominent historian exposes the dark side of making war more humane.
In the years since 9/11, we have entered an age of endless war. With little debate or discussion, the United States carries out military operations around the globe. It hardly matters who’s president or whether liberals or conservatives operate the levers of power. The United States exercises dominion everywhere.
In Humane: How the United States Abandoned Peace and Reinvented War, Samuel Moyn asks a troubling but urgent question: What if efforts to make war more ethical - to ban torture and limit civilian casualties - have only shored up the military enterprise and made it sturdier? Moyn looks back at a century and a half of passionate arguments about the ethics of using force, from the 19th-century struggle to make war less lethal to the eventual shift from opposing the crime of war to opposing war crimes, with fateful consequences.
The ramifications of this shift became apparent in the post-9/11 era. By that time, the US military had embraced the agenda of humane war, driven both by the availability of precision weaponry and the need to protect its image. The battle shifted from the streets to the courtroom, where the tactics of the war on terror were litigated, but its foundational assumptions went without serious challenge. These trends only accelerated during the Obama and Trump presidencies. Even as the two administrations spoke of American power and morality in radically different tones, they ushered in the second decade of the “forever” war.
Humane is the story of how America went off to fight and never came back, and how armed combat was transformed from an imperfect tool for resolving disputes into an integral component of the modern condition. As American wars have become more humane, they have also become endless. This provocative book argues that this development might not represent progress at all.
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In American Rule, Jared Yates Sexton upends those convenient fictions by laying bare the foundational myths at the heart of our collective American imagination. From the very origins of this nation, Americans in power have abused and subjugated others; enabling that corruption are the many myths of American exceptionalism and steadfast values, which are fed to the public and repeated across generations.
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- By Laurie on 09-28-20
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The Palestinian Delusion
- The Catastrophic History of the Middle East Peace Process
- By: Robert Spencer
- Narrated by: David Colacci
- Length: 8 hrs and 53 mins
- Unabridged
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The Palestinian Delusion is unique in situating the Israeli/Palestinian conflict within the context of the global jihad that has found renewed impetus in the latter portion of the 20th century and the beginning of the 21st. Briskly recounting the tumultuous history of the "peace process", Robert Spencer demonstrates that the determination of diplomats, policymakers, and negotiators to ignore this aspect of the conflict has led the Israelis, the Palestinians, and the world down numerous blind alleys. This has often only exacerbated, rather than healed, this conflict.
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The Real Facts
- By Canes580 on 01-25-20
By: Robert Spencer
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Armed Struggle
- The History of the IRA
- By: Richard English
- Narrated by: Roger Clark
- Length: 20 hrs and 6 mins
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The IRA has been a much richer, more complexly layered, and more protean organization than is frequently recognized. It is also more open to balanced examination now - at the end of its long war in the north of Ireland - than it was even a few years ago. Richard English's brilliant audiobook offers a detailed history of the IRA, providing invaluable historical depth to our understanding of the modern-day Provisionals, the more militant wing formed in 1969 dedicated to the removal of the British Government from Northern Ireland and the reunification of Ireland.
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A comprehensive history of the IRA
- By Stefan Filipovits on 02-04-20
By: Richard English
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Hegemony or Survival
- America's Quest for Global Dominance
- By: Noam Chomsky
- Narrated by: Brian Jones, Noam Chomsky
- Length: 7 hrs and 53 mins
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For more than half a century, the United States has been pursuing a grand imperial strategy with the aim of staking out the globe. Our leaders have shown themselves willing, as in the Cuban missile crisis, to follow the dream of dominance no matter how high the risks. Now the Bush administration is intensifying this process, driving us toward the final frontiers of imperial control, toward a choice between the prerogatives of power and a livable Earth.
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Read and open your mind
- By Rupert on 01-15-04
By: Noam Chomsky
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Had It Coming
- Rape Culture Meets #MeToo: Now What? (Sunlight Editions)
- By: Robyn Doolittle
- Narrated by: Alison J. Palmer
- Length: 8 hrs and 3 mins
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Doolittle brings a personal voice to what has been a turning point for most women: the #MeToo movement and its aftermath. The world is now increasingly aware of the pervasiveness of rape culture in which powerful men got away with sexual assault and harassment for years, but Doolittle looks beyond specific cases to the big picture. The issue of "consent" figures largely: not only is the public confused about what it means, but an astounding number of legal authorities are too.
By: Robyn Doolittle
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Revolutionary Iran
- A History of the Islamic Republic
- By: Michael Axworthy
- Narrated by: Derek Perkins
- Length: 19 hrs
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The Iranian Revolution of 1979 was a defining moment of the modern era. Its success unleashed a wave of Islamist fervor across the Middle East and signaled a sharp decline in the appeal of Western ideologies in the Islamic world. Michael Axworthy takes listeners through the major periods in Iranian history over the last 30 years: the overthrow of the old regime and the creation of the new one; the Iran-Iraq war; the reconstruction era following the war; the reformist wave led by Mohammed Khatami; and the present day, in which reactionaries have re-established control.
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Questionable Narration
- By Arya Pourtabatabaie on 07-17-21
By: Michael Axworthy
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The Nazi Menace
- Hitler, Churchill, Roosevelt, Stalin, and the Road to War
- By: Benjamin Carter Hett
- Narrated by: Raphael Corkhill
- Length: 14 hrs and 45 mins
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Berlin, November 1937. Adolf Hitler meets with his military commanders to impress upon them the urgent necessity for a war of aggression in Eastern Europe. Some generals are unnerved by the Führer’s grandiose plan, but these dissenters are silenced one by one, setting in motion events that will culminate in the most calamitous war in history.
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Bad Melodramatic Reading
- By Tess on 08-18-20
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The Mighty and the Almighty
- Reflections on America, God, and World Affairs
- By: Madeleine Albright
- Narrated by: Madeleine Albright
- Length: 10 hrs and 22 mins
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Does America have a special mission, derived from God, to bring liberty and democracy to the world? How much influence does the Christian right have over U.S. foreign policy? And how should America deal with violent Islamist extremists? Madeleine Albright, the former Secretary of State and best-selling author of Madam Secretary, offers a thoughtful and often surprising look at the role of religion in shaping America's approach to the world.
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The point??
- By Thomas on 11-04-06
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Hitler's True Believers
- How Ordinary People Became Nazis
- By: Robert Gellately
- Narrated by: Paul Heitsch
- Length: 15 hrs and 52 mins
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Understanding Adolf Hitler's ideology provides insights into the mental world of an extremist politics that, over the course of the Third Reich, developed explosive energies culminating in the Second World War and the Holocaust. Too often the theories underlying National Socialism or Nazism are dismissed as an irrational hodgepodge of ideas. Yet that ideology drove Hitler's quest for power in 1933, colored everything in the Third Reich, and transformed him, however briefly, into the most powerful leader in the world.
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Fascinating listen
- By Amy Neff on 12-15-22
By: Robert Gellately
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Diplomacy
- By: Henry Kissinger
- Narrated by: Paul Woodson
- Length: 37 hrs and 52 mins
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Moving from a sweeping overview of history to blow-by-blow accounts of his negotiations with world leaders, Henry Kissinger describes how the art of diplomacy has created the world in which we live, and how America's approach to foreign affairs has always differed vastly from that of other nations. Brilliant, controversial, and profoundly incisive, Diplomacy stands as the culmination of a lifetime of diplomatic service and scholarship. It is a must-listen for anyone concerned with the forces that have shaped our world today and will impact upon it tomorrow.
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Great foreign policy overview!
- By Mikhail on 02-02-20
By: Henry Kissinger
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Fascism
- A Warning
- By: Madeleine Albright
- Narrated by: Madeleine Albright
- Length: 9 hrs and 53 mins
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At the end of the 1980s, when the Cold War ended, many, including former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, believed that democracy had triumphed politically once and for all. Yet nearly 30 years later, the direction of history no longer seems certain. A repressive and destructive force has begun to reemerge on the global stage - sweeping across Europe, parts of Asia, and the United States - that to Albright, looks very much like fascism.
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Warning!
- By JAL on 04-19-18
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Saving Freedom
- Truman, the Cold War, and the Fight for Western Civilization
- By: Joe Scarborough
- Narrated by: Joe Scarborough
- Length: 8 hrs and 5 mins
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History called on Harry Truman to unite the Western world against Soviet communism, but first he had to rally Republicans and Democrats behind America’s most dramatic foreign policy shift since George Washington delivered his farewell address. How did one of the least prepared presidents to walk into the Oval Office become one of its most successful?
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An engaging review of a remarkable president
- By Mark A on 11-29-20
By: Joe Scarborough
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Debunking Howard Zinn
- Exposing the Fake History That Turned a Generation Against America
- By: Mary Grabar
- Narrated by: Pam Ward
- Length: 11 hrs and 45 mins
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Howard Zinn’s A People’s History of the United States has sold over 2.5 million copies and is still required reading in some high school and college classrooms. But its polemic rewriting of American history as a story of oppression is an agenda-driven fairy tale that has no place in academia. In Debunking Howard Zinn, Mary Grabar debunks Howard Zinn’s lies and traces the damage his mega-bestseller has done to American education, culture, and politics.
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Pure Alt-Right apologist.
- By K. Bradrick on 05-11-21
By: Mary Grabar
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- Jeffrey D
- 05-11-22
Intelligent take on past and future war
Moyn has recognized what any aware citizen of the US can easily see: that war -- even endless war -- has become an ongoing bipartisan project. His perspicacious argument is that part of the reason for so many wars is that war has become less costly in terms of American body counts, and all participants have been, increasingly, treated according to the international law of humane warfare. Unfortunately, the the focus on shielding Americans from the grisly effects of war, and on making war more humane, has lessened our motivation to stop war in itself. Moyn outlines the last couple of centuries of warfare, and the concomitant attempts of reformers to make it more humane. His book lays a rational foundation for the next step for those many Americans who are sick of all these wars.
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- chetyarbrough.blog
- 06-28-23
HUMANE WAR
Sameul Moyn's "Humane" shows America is one of many passengers on a train bound for Armageddon. The idea of a humane war is oxymoronic. War cannot, by definition be humane. There is no denying America's war against Indians, Filipinos, Japanese, and Germans, with a history of mass violence against Blacks and other American minorities, is inhumane. The reasons for war's violence range from defense of country to racism, to self-interest, to greed, i.e., the ingredients of human nature. From the crusades of Catholics against Muslims to persecution of Jews through the ages, to today's Palistinian/Israli mayhem, inhumanity seems an integral part of the human condition.
Government leaders may represent a nation or a faction of people, but unless one believes in “the arc of the moral universe” as originated by Theodore Parker in the 19th century (made modern by Martin Luther King in the 20th century), the world will continue to have wars; all of which become inhumane.
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- Theo Horesh
- 01-19-22
Great History, Weak Arguments
This book presents an extended historical argument for not making war more humane. If that sounds jarring, then it should. Moyn argues that ever since the First Geneva Convention in the late-nineteenth century, humanizing war has commonly come at the expense of justifying it.
Of course, as a human rights advocate, he recognizes that minimizing civilian casualties and crimes against humanity are a good thing. He even admits that we can have both more humane war and less of it. But he never sheds the sneaking suspicion that the American military’s embrace of humane rules of engagement around the mid-2000s, and especially under Obama, has not been a major contributing factor to the forever wars.
It sometimes seems that he is even arguing that if we had just allowed the war on terror to be more brutal, it would have ended long ago. But if that is what he is arguing, he fails to make the case, because he does not actually make an argument against each mission. In short, he does not weigh the consequences of leaving Afghanistan or not taking on Isis, but that is precisely what he would need to do to make this case. And if that is not the case he is making, it is difficult to discern the cash value of his argument, so to speak.
Moyn is a great historical writer who knows how to make his sources speak, but he does not do nearly so good of a job making his argument in the present. It sometimes seemed like he planned to write this book when Obama was president and failed to adjust his views to the far more dangerous Trump presidency. He often hints that the book is really an argument against drone warfare, but he fails to mention the dramatic turn in American warfare made under Trump, who oversaw the obliteration of two major cities, Raqqa in Syria and Mosul in Iraq while taking us to the brink of two massive wars with North Korea and Iran. Moyn has made the rounds downplaying the dangers of Trump, and his lack of concern with restraining the powers of a man who on several occasions spoke of the need to use nuclear weapons are on full display.
Moyn’s grasp of humanitarian history may be masterful, but he also fails to engage the dramatic transformation of the world order over the course of the last decade. It is once again another suggestion that this book was really about Obama and that he has failed to grapple with the legacy of Trump. All in all, it is a very well written book, but the argument is too marginal and his case too poorly made to grant it more than 3.5-4 stars. As Russia builds up troops on the Ukrainian border, one can only wonder how this book would be looked upon if a fully unrestrained war were to break out with millions dead as in the case of so many twentieth century wars.
~ Theo Horesh, author of The Fascism This Time: And the Global Future of Democracy
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