
The Bronze Lie
Failed to add items
Add to Cart failed.
Add to Wish List failed.
Remove from wishlist failed.
Adding to library failed
Follow podcast failed
Unfollow podcast failed
3 months free
Buy for $25.79
No default payment method selected.
We are sorry. We are not allowed to sell this product with the selected payment method
-
Narrated by:
-
Alexander Cendese
-
By:
-
Myke Cole
The story of the Spartans is one of the best known in history, from their rigorous training to their dramatic feats of arms - but is that portrait of Spartan supremacy true? Renowned novelist and popular historian Myke Cole goes back to the original sources to set the record straight.
The Spartan hoplite enjoys unquestioned currency as history's greatest fighting man. Raised from the age of seven in the agoge, a military academy legendary for its harshness, Spartan men were brought up to value loyalty to the polis (the city-state) above all else, and to prize obedience to orders higher than their own lives. The last stand at Thermopylae made the Spartans legends in their own time, famous for their brevity and their ability to endure hardship, to control their emotions, and to never surrender - even in the face of impossible odds, even when it meant their certain deaths.
But was this reputation earned? Or was it simply the success of a propaganda machine that began turning at Thermopylae in 480 BC? Examining the historical record, both literary and material, paints a very different picture of Spartan arms - a society dedicated to militarism not in service to Greek unity or to the Spartan state itself, but as a desperate measure intended to keep its massive population of helots (a near-slave underclass) in line, forcing them to perform the mundane work of farming, cleaning, building and crafting to permit the dandified Spartan citizens (spartiatai) the time they needed to focus on their military training.
Covering Sparta's full classical history, The Bronze Lie examines the myth of Spartan warrior supremacy against the historical record, delving into the minutiae of Spartan warfare from arms and armor to tactics and strategy. With a special focus on previously under-publicized Spartan reverses that have been left largely unexamined, it looks at the major battles as well as reexamining major Spartan "victories". Most importantly, it reexamines Thermopylae itself, a propaganda victory utterly out of proportion to its actual impact - a defeat that wasn't even accomplished by 300 Spartans, but rather by thousands of allied Greeks, all for the net effect of barely slowing a Persian advance that went on to roam Greece unchecked and destroy Athens itself.
©2021 Myke Cole (P)2021 Recorded BooksListeners also enjoyed...




















People who viewed this also viewed...







From a veterans point of view
Something went wrong. Please try again in a few minutes.
Fascinating analysis of actual history
Something went wrong. Please try again in a few minutes.
However, I have some major issues with this book and the authors crusade to correct this horrible lie that somehow makes modern Republicans evil, etc. I really enjoyed his Legion vs. Phanlanx book, though I never got the definitive point he thought he made about the Legion's superiority. But now, after reading this book, it has tainted my views on his arguments in that book as well in that I now can clearly see his disdain for things he doesn't like. I still like that book but not as much after reading this book and I probably won't read anything else he puts out.
Now to specifics:
1. He hates his audience:
In the intro, he goes out of his way to insult USA conservatives generally and their intelligence and integrity. I don't see how a love of legendary heroes (based on fact or fiction) or enjoyment of epic battles and action movies has any bearing on politics unless he is trying to perpetuate a biased and largely untrue characature of warmongering conservatives clinging to their guns and bibles cheering every splash of blood in media and real life. He also treats the Greeks' religious beliefs as utter rubbish. He doesn't have to believe they are true to respect the fact that they actually believed things. And he tangentially seems to disdain all religious beliefs. I don't know his religious or political beliefs but he seems to knowingly disparage the religious and political beliefs of the majority of his audience who would find this subject fascinating and it appears that this is on purpose to "correct" their misguided ideas that somehow are related to the myth of Spartan invincibility.
2. He always assumes the worst given any choice at all. I'm not saying he doesn't have some justification for many of his interpretations of events but seems to make this a holy crusade of why we should not only stop believing the myth about Spartans but also that they were the worst and most vile and most pathetic warriors even when he grudgingly mentions that they probably could do some things well.
3. Some of the things the Spartans were famous for are precisely the things criticized by the author, such as their stoic and stubborn resolve to fight a certain way even when it was foolish to do so. I don't recall it ever being part of their legend that they had great tactics or siege abilities or that they were flexible and adaptive. I think everyone knows they were supposed to just be really disciplined and able to fight well in a phalanx. they also possibly performed well in the Olympics and stuff, which might have helped bolster their image. No one said they always fought like Alexander or Hannibal. I think the fact that they were able to control a large faction of Greeks and were selected to manage the war against Persia is very telling even if it wasn't wholly justified by their historical military performance and their unwillingness to help when it really mattered.
Finally, he does make a lot of good points and valid arguments, so if it weren't for the above issues, I would have very much liked and appreciated this book.
He hates Spartans, Religion, Republicans, readers
Something went wrong. Please try again in a few minutes.
Narrator needs a pronunciation guide
Something went wrong. Please try again in a few minutes.
exhaustive & slanted
Something went wrong. Please try again in a few minutes.
informative
Something went wrong. Please try again in a few minutes.
Highly recommended for anyone not in the top 1 percentile of knowledge about classical Greece, the Peloponnesian wars and Sparta. Even if you’re in that 1%, it’s still enjoyable.
Truth be Told
Something went wrong. Please try again in a few minutes.
I could sum up the whole book like this; the Spartans weren’t so great and neither are guns rights activists, right wing extremists, or really anyone on the right. Now enjoy me cherry picking history and making generally unqualified conclusions which will largely support my thesis.
Dilettante history with a clear political motivation
Something went wrong. Please try again in a few minutes.
Biased
Something went wrong. Please try again in a few minutes.
politics
Something went wrong. Please try again in a few minutes.