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But did Troy actually exist? And if so, where is it located? Was the Trojan War actually fought? If it was, did it take place over the course of ten years, as Homer wrote, or was it a much longer series of battles? And why was the war fought? Could Helen's face alone really have launched a thousand ships?
In this course, esteemed professor Eric H. Cline examines the real history of Troy and delves into the archaeological discoveries (which continue to the present day) that help to answer the questions above. Through an entertaining and incisive analysis of known data, Professor Cline provides a fuller, richer understanding of this historic clash.
Download the accompanying reference guide.©2006 Eric H. Cline (P)2006 Recorded Books, LLCListeners also enjoyed...
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In this series of lectures, professor Eric H. Cline delves into the history of ancient Greece, frequently considered to be the founding nation of democracy in Western civilization. Ancient Greece lives on in modern culture, evidenced by an ever-present fascination with the tales of Homer, Greek drama, and the stories associated with Greek mythology. In the rise of Sparta and Athens, people today find a wealth of material for understanding not only ancient Greece, but the modern world.
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Excellent survey
- By David on 09-14-11
By: Eric H. Cline
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The Modern Scholar: Odyssey of the West III: A Classic Education through the Great Books: The Medieval World
- By: Prof. Timothy Shutt, Prof. Thomas F. Madden, Prof. Monica Brzezinski Potkay
- Narrated by: Prof. Timothy Shutt, Prof. Thomas F. Madden, Prof. Monica Brzezinski Potkay
- Length: 8 hrs and 46 mins
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Odyssey of the West I and II explored timeless works from the ancient world that shaped, and continue to shape, the culture and philosophies of life today. Part three is a richly detailed look at St. Augustine, Beowulf, St. Thomas Aquinas, Authurian legends, Dante, Gothic art, and other highlights of the period. Through the course of these lectures, it becomes apparent that the "dark" ages were in fact a time of immense achievement, and a time that richly rewards those who study its art and philosophies.
By: Prof. Timothy Shutt, and others
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The Modern Scholar: Discovering the Philosopher in You
- The Big Questons in Philosophy
- By: Professor Colin McGinn
- Narrated by: Colin McGinn
- Length: 7 hrs and 57 mins
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Everyone has their own inner philosopher - a voice within that asks, oh so insistently, philosophical questions. Everyone wants to know what the ultimate nature of the world is, what the self is, whether we have free will, how our minds relate to our bodies, whether we can really know anything, where ethical truth comes from, what the meaning of life is, and whether or not there is a God.
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Recommended
- By Sergio Henrique on 06-19-09
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The Other Side of History: Daily Life in the Ancient World
- By: Robert Garland, The Great Courses
- Narrated by: Robert Garland
- Length: 24 hrs and 28 mins
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Look beyond the abstract dates and figures, kings and queens, and battles and wars that make up so many historical accounts. Over the course of 48 richly detailed lectures, Professor Garland covers the breadth and depth of human history from the perspective of the so-called ordinary people, from its earliest beginnings through the Middle Ages.
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Tantalizing time trip
- By Mark on 08-21-13
By: Robert Garland, and others
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The Modern Scholar: The Philosophy of Thomas Aquinas
- By: Prof. Peter Kreeft
- Narrated by: Peter Kreeft
- Length: 7 hrs and 34 mins
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An enthusiastic admirer of the philosophy of Thomas Aquinas, professor and philosopher Peter Kreeft details the rational thought and precise literary talent that established Aquinas as the foremost thinker of his time - and as the most important philosopher for the almost 200 years between Aristotle and Descartes.
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Just what an introduction to Aquinas should be.
- By criticaltom on 04-04-10
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The Modern Scholar
- The History of Ancient Israel: From the Patriarchs Through the Romans
- By: Professor Eric H. Cline
- Narrated by: Eric H. Cline
- Length: 7 hrs and 36 mins
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Israel conjures up myriad associations for peoples of all cultures and religious backgrounds. Inextricably associated with the world's three most prominent religions (Judaism, Christianity, and Islam), Israel is steeped in history and conflict, much of which is known through the tales of biblical figures such as Moses, David, Solomon, and, of course, Jesus Christ.But how much of the Bible can be relied upon as accurate history? And how much of the biblical record can be verified through archaeology?
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Good But a Little Biased
- By Wolfpacker on 05-27-12
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The Modern Scholar
- History of Ancient Greece
- By: Eric H. Cline
- Narrated by: Eric H. Cline
- Length: 8 hrs and 13 mins
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In this series of lectures, professor Eric H. Cline delves into the history of ancient Greece, frequently considered to be the founding nation of democracy in Western civilization. Ancient Greece lives on in modern culture, evidenced by an ever-present fascination with the tales of Homer, Greek drama, and the stories associated with Greek mythology. In the rise of Sparta and Athens, people today find a wealth of material for understanding not only ancient Greece, but the modern world.
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Excellent survey
- By David on 09-14-11
By: Eric H. Cline
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The Modern Scholar: Odyssey of the West III: A Classic Education through the Great Books: The Medieval World
- By: Prof. Timothy Shutt, Prof. Thomas F. Madden, Prof. Monica Brzezinski Potkay
- Narrated by: Prof. Timothy Shutt, Prof. Thomas F. Madden, Prof. Monica Brzezinski Potkay
- Length: 8 hrs and 46 mins
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Odyssey of the West I and II explored timeless works from the ancient world that shaped, and continue to shape, the culture and philosophies of life today. Part three is a richly detailed look at St. Augustine, Beowulf, St. Thomas Aquinas, Authurian legends, Dante, Gothic art, and other highlights of the period. Through the course of these lectures, it becomes apparent that the "dark" ages were in fact a time of immense achievement, and a time that richly rewards those who study its art and philosophies.
By: Prof. Timothy Shutt, and others
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The Modern Scholar: Discovering the Philosopher in You
- The Big Questons in Philosophy
- By: Professor Colin McGinn
- Narrated by: Colin McGinn
- Length: 7 hrs and 57 mins
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Everyone has their own inner philosopher - a voice within that asks, oh so insistently, philosophical questions. Everyone wants to know what the ultimate nature of the world is, what the self is, whether we have free will, how our minds relate to our bodies, whether we can really know anything, where ethical truth comes from, what the meaning of life is, and whether or not there is a God.
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Recommended
- By Sergio Henrique on 06-19-09
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The Other Side of History: Daily Life in the Ancient World
- By: Robert Garland, The Great Courses
- Narrated by: Robert Garland
- Length: 24 hrs and 28 mins
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Look beyond the abstract dates and figures, kings and queens, and battles and wars that make up so many historical accounts. Over the course of 48 richly detailed lectures, Professor Garland covers the breadth and depth of human history from the perspective of the so-called ordinary people, from its earliest beginnings through the Middle Ages.
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Tantalizing time trip
- By Mark on 08-21-13
By: Robert Garland, and others
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The Modern Scholar: The Philosophy of Thomas Aquinas
- By: Prof. Peter Kreeft
- Narrated by: Peter Kreeft
- Length: 7 hrs and 34 mins
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An enthusiastic admirer of the philosophy of Thomas Aquinas, professor and philosopher Peter Kreeft details the rational thought and precise literary talent that established Aquinas as the foremost thinker of his time - and as the most important philosopher for the almost 200 years between Aristotle and Descartes.
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Just what an introduction to Aquinas should be.
- By criticaltom on 04-04-10
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The Modern Scholar: Heaven or Heresy: A History of the Inquisition
- By: Thomas F. Madden
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- Length: 8 hrs and 30 mins
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With a scholarly eye and infectious enthusiasm, widely published author and noted expert on pre-modern European history Thomas Madden imparts an understanding of the Spanish and Roman Inquisitions while dispelling popular myths associated with the subject.
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Bad news and good
- By papaworx on 11-01-09
By: Thomas F. Madden
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The Modern Scholar
- A History of the English Language
- By: Prof. Michael Drout
- Narrated by: Prof. Michael Drout
- Length: 8 hrs and 14 mins
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Professor Drout addresses the foundation of language and its connection to specific portions of the brain. The components of language are explained in easy-to-understand terms and the progression of the language from Germanic to Old, Middle, and Modern English is fully illustrated - including such revolutionary language upheavals as those brought about by the Norman Conquest and the Great Vowel Shift.
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Hits all the right marks
- By Maria on 11-02-10
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The Modern Scholar
- A Way With Words Part III: Grammar for Adults
- By: Professor Michael D.C. Drout
- Narrated by: Professor Michael D.C. Drout
- Length: 7 hrs and 58 mins
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Since others judge you by the way you speak, the intricacies of grammar, in fact, should not be relegated to the realm of fussy "guardians of the language," but are rather essential clues all can employ to communicate more exactly. In such a light, this course forms an invaluable guide for everyone from all fields of interest.
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I have always given Drout high marks.
- By Robert on 10-03-12
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The Modern Scholar
- Eternal Chalice: The Grail in Literature and Legend
- By: Professor Monica Potkay
- Narrated by: Professor Monica Potkay
- Length: 7 hrs and 30 mins
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The goal of this course is to provide an overview of the many different ways writers of fiction and nonfiction have imagined, and reimagined, the object known as the Grail. We'll look at how the Grail was invented as a powerful literary symbol in the late 12th and early 13th centuries by a group of medieval romancers who celebrated the Grail as a symbol of perfection. At times, this perfection was social, and the Grail functioned as a symbol of the perfect knight or of the ideal chivalric society.
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Interesting Search for the Holy Grail
- By Carole T. on 09-01-12
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The Modern Scholar: A History of Venice
- Queen of the Seas
- By: Prof. Thomas F. Madden
- Narrated by: Thomas F. Madden
- Length: 7 hrs and 41 mins
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Renowned professor Thomas F. Madden focuses his expertise on what has been called the most beautiful city in the world: Venice. In these lectures, Professor Madden explains how the city on the lagoon was established by refugees escaping the onslaught of northern “barbarians” invading the crumbling Roman Empire. Through its history, Venice housed the world’s leading merchants, thrived as a maritime powerhouse, and developed into an independent republic not unlike the present United States.
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Absolutely fascinating
- By Bookworm on 01-16-11
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The Modern Scholar: Faith and Reason: The Philosophy of Religion
- By: Peter Kreeft
- Narrated by: Peter Kreeft
- Length: 8 hrs and 21 mins
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Through the ages, mankind has pursued questions of faith in something beyond the world of ordinary experience. Is there a God? How can we explain the presence of evil? Do humans, or human souls, live on after death? Is there a hell? The following lectures examine these eternal questions and present the most compelling arguments for and against God's existence, the seeming conflicts between religion and science, and the different truth-claims of the world's most popular religions.
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A Plus....excellent!
- By Doug on 12-22-08
By: Peter Kreeft
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The Modern Scholar: Odyssey of the West I: A Classic Education through the Great Books: Hebrews and Greeks
- By: Prof. Timothy Shutt, Prof. Eric H. Cline, Prof. Kim J. Hartswick, and others
- Narrated by: Professor Timothy B. Shutt, Professor Eric H. Cline, Professor Kim J. Hartswick, and others
- Length: 8 hrs and 32 mins
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The lectures address-in chronological sequence-a series of major works that have shaped the ongoing development of Western thought both in their own right and in cultural dialogue with other traditions. In the process, the course engages many of the most perennial and far-reaching questions that we face in our daily lives.
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Chapter Divisions ARE Present
- By Rand on 09-01-10
By: Prof. Timothy Shutt, and others
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The Modern Scholar
- World War l: The Great War and the World It Made
- By: Professor John Ramsden
- Narrated by: John Ramsden
- Length: 8 hrs and 30 mins
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"The Great War", as it was known at the time, was also said to be the "war to end all wars." It seized all of Europe and much of the rest of the world in its grip of death and destruction. The first truly modern war, it changed how war and peace would be conducted throughout the remainder of the 20th century and even to the present.
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Excellent & Interesting Course
- By Nostromo on 10-29-08
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The Modern Scholar: Ethics: A History of Moral Thought
- By: Professor Peter Kreeft
- Narrated by: Peter Kreeft
- Length: 8 hrs and 32 mins
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This course addresses some of the eternal questions that man has grappled with since the beginning of time. What is good? What is bad? Why is justice important? Why is it better to be good and just than it is to be bad and unjust? Most human beings have the faculty to discern between right and wrong, good and bad behavior, and to make judgments over what is just and what is unjust. But why are ethics important to us?
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Surprisingly Good
- By J. Maxwell on 11-02-09
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The Modern Scholar
- Hebrews, Greeks and Romans: Foundations of Western Civilization
- By: Timothy Shutt
- Narrated by: Timothy Shutt
- Length: 7 hrs and 51 mins
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Our purpose in this course will be to examine the foundations of Western civilization in antiquity. We will look at the culture of the ancient Hebrews, of the ancient Greeks, and of the Romans, and we will likewise look at how these cultures interacted with each other, sometimes happily, sometimes not. In the process, we will focus on how the questions they addressed and the answers they found live among us and continue to shape our lives to this very day.
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Great, Thought Provokong Lectures
- By Wolfpacker on 06-04-10
By: Timothy Shutt
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The Modern Scholar
- He Said/She Said: Women, Men and Language
- By: Professor Deborah Tannen
- Narrated by: Deborah Tannen
- Length: 7 hrs and 17 mins
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"My goal in this series, in addition to illuminating the patterns of women's and men's uses of language, is to enhance understanding of how language works in everyday life. I am told by students who have taken my courses that this understanding helps them in their everyday lives, as every aspect of our lives involves talking to people of the other sex - in our personal relationships, our families, at work, and in trying to get just about anything done."
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Kind of revelatory, at least for me
- By R. on 03-27-11
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The Modern Scholar
- American Inquisition: The Era of McCarthyism
- By: Professor Ellen Schrecker
- Narrated by: Ellen Schrecker
- Length: 8 hrs and 12 mins
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During the early years of the Cold War, the anti-communist witch hunt that we now call McCarthyism swept through American society. It was the most widespread and longest-lasting episode of political repression in American history. Dozens of men and women went to prison, thousands lost their jobs, and untold numbers of others saw what happened to those people and refrained from expressing controversial or unpopular ideas.
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A real disapointment :-((
- By M. on 10-17-08
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- William Simkiss
- 03-31-21
Comprehensive and enjoyable
This was a great College-level introduction to the topic, covering the historicity of the Trojan War, and the history of its archaeological finds. Dr Cline’s comfortable manner made the depths of the detail easy to digest. His approach to the topic was very insightful, bringing in the broad range of information necessary to evaluate what actually may have happened. I recommend it highly.
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- Carole T.
- 07-12-12
Beware Greeks. . . and Archaeologists!
There's a lot of information here, and I enjoyed the enthusiasm of Professor Cline. Unfortunately, there's also a lot of repetition.
This is much more archaeology than Iliad. I learned a great deal about the various archaeologists who have sought Troy over the years. One, in particular, was evidently a scoundrel and a liar - his story is fascinating. And what a to-do over "Priam's Treasure"!
I just think it was a little long and (to repeat myself!) very, very repetitive. If you have a real interest in archaeology, then by all means go for it. If your interest is more literary, perhaps another history of Homer and the Iliad would be more appropriate.
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- Brett M Miller
- 04-20-19
Excellent Overview
Cline not only gives an excellent overview, he provides a good example of how to think as a social scientist.
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- Marje
- 08-28-09
Fascinating
I would recommend these lectures to anyone who has an interest in Homer's story of Troy "The Iliad", an interest in ancient Greek history, or in archaeology.
Dr. Cline's in-depth knowledge of all these complex subjects is obvious; yet he has a real talent for communicating with the general listener and making the subject matter easily understandable and ... fascinating.
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- Lisa
- 02-20-10
A Wonderful Listen
Cline covers a lot of ground, not only the history of the Iliad but also the questions surrounding Homer, the histories of the archeologists and archeological digs that have searched for Troy, and the questions that archeology and study have yet to answer.
Cline is a pleasant, interesting lecturer that makes the subject matter both intriguing and accessible to the listener.
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- Nathan
- 10-05-08
I can see the windy plains of Troy
This was a thoroughly enjoyable series of lectures on Bronze Age Greece. If you find yourself interested in this period of history you'll find this absolutely fascinating. I loved this book and would buy again.
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- Nik
- 12-02-11
A good history class about the Illiad
Would you recommend this audiobook to a friend? If so, why?
Yes, if they loved ancient history like I do. This lecture series is good.
What other book might you compare The Modern Scholar to and why?
None. Only real lectures I have sat through.
What didn’t you like about the narrator’s performance?
The narrator tried to be funny, but wasn't.
Was this a book you wanted to listen to all in one sitting?
No. It was fun to listen per each lecture with a break in between to digest the info.
Any additional comments?
A really good series. Check it out.
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- Carol
- 07-04-16
Myth vs. Reality: Reality Wins
This 2006 course may seem a little dated, in part because in several of the lectures Dr. Cline refers to the 2004 movie "Troy" that starred Brad Pitt as the iconic Greek hero Achilles (a movie that I, like Dr. Cline, enjoyed more than the critics did). Don’t let that turn you off. This course is a great mix of history, literature, and archeology.
Eric Cline is one of my favorites among the academics who star in the Modern Scholar and Great Courses. He has wide-ranging interests and expertise, as well as a kind of dorky sense of humor about himself. And, as an archeologist, he doesn’t just read, write, and pontificate from an ivory tower (in Dr. Cline’s case, it’s George Washington University). He has spent many seasons doing field work in the Middle East and has seen first-hand much of what he talks about.
After an introductory lecture, the first three sessions give an overview of the clashing parties--the Mycenaeans (Achaeans/Greeks), Hittites (Trojans), and the Sea Peoples--in the late Bronze Age, the time the Trojan War most likely took place (if indeed it did take place, which Cline thinks it did). The Sea Peoples are the most mysterious of these groups, and probably for that reason I found them the most interesting. (Cline’s book “1177 BC: The Year Civilization Fell Apart,” an in-depth analysis of the Sea Peoples and their role in the collapse of Bronze Age civilization, expands on many of the themes he introduces in these lectures.)
The second group of lectures turns from history to literature. Turns out that many of the plot points we associate with the Iliad--including the famous Trojan Horse--aren’t in the Iliad at all, but are part of a larger work, the Epic Cycle, that today exists only in fragments or referenced in other works (such as the tragedies of the classical Greek playwright Aeschylus). These lectures discuss the questions of who was Homer, and was there even a Homer, and (the presence of gods and goddesses aside), how accurate is the Iliad? Does it in fact depict the late Bronze Age of the Trojan War, or the early Iron Age of Homer? There is also a lecture on ancient Hittite writings that may (or may not) shed light on the “real” Trojan War. All in all, a unique perspective that draws on all of Cline’s fields of interest.
The largest group of lectures covers the discovery and excavation of what is now generally accepted as the remains of the ancient city (or cities, as you’ll learn) of Troy. Once dismissed as myth, today there is more archeological evidence for the existence of Troy and the Trojan War than there is for the Exodus of the Hebrews from Egypt (Professor Cline, also an expert in biblical archaeology, has a different course that covers that).
I highly recommend these lectures as a starting point for anyone interested in the history of ancient Greece. There are a number of YouTube videos of talks by Professor Cline, if you want to check out his style for yourself.
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- Jim Davis
- 03-05-23
MY FAVORITE AUDIBLE TITLE
This is my favorite audible title. it's only like 8 hours and I have listened to this at least 30 times. I've read at least 2 dozen books on the people of this time period as a result of listening to this title and I continue to seek out even more books and papers thanks to listening to Dr Kline. I read his book 1177 BC first and then bought this but that was 3 years ago. I have also read and listened to many books and courses from Dr Kline and he's become my favorite professor whose work I continually buy and follow. Thank you Dr Kline for all the hard work! please keep it coming!
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- Wolfpacker
- 05-27-12
Interesting Course If the Topic Appeals
This course was helpful to me in understanding the archaeology about Troy and its implications for the historicity of The Trojan War. If you don't care to hear about Troy level 9B and why it may be less important than level 9C, you might get bogged down a bit.
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