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MacLeod Andrews
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David Joy
About this listen
Winner of the 2023 Willie Morris Award for Southern Fiction
Winner of the 2023 Thomas Wolfe Memorial Literary Award
Winner of the 2024 Sir Walter Raleigh Award
One of Vanity Fair’s Favorite Books of 2023
“A beautifully fearless contemplation.”–S. A. Cosby
From award-winning writer David Joy comes a searing new novel about the cracks that form in a small North Carolina community and the evils that unfurl from its center.
Toya Gardner, a young Black artist from Atlanta, has returned to her ancestral home in the North Carolina mountains to trace her family history and complete her graduate thesis. But when she encounters a still-standing Confederate monument in the heart of town, she sets her sights on something bigger.
Meanwhile, local deputies find a man sleeping in the back of a station wagon and believe him to be nothing more than some slack-jawed drifter. Yet a search of the man’s vehicle reveals that he is a high-ranking member of the Klan, and the uncovering of a notebook filled with local names threatens to turn the mountain on end.
After two horrific crimes split the county apart, every soul must wrestle with deep and unspoken secrets that stretch back for generations. Those We Thought We Knew is an urgent unraveling of the dark underbelly of a community. Richly drawn and bracingly honest, it asks what happens when the people you’ve always known turn out to be monsters, what do you do when everything you ever believed crumbles away?
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Critic reviews
One of:
Atlanta Journal-Constitution’s Best Southern Books of 2023
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"[David Joy] is a man who sees his homeplace clearly and who writes like his hand was touched by God." —The New York Times
"[A] bracing novel…both a murder mystery and a deeply intimate story of generational relationships and loss." —Vanity Fair
"A refreshing departure…Joy has a knack for heightening intrigue…. He’s like a magician playing a shell game, and it’s an effective way to keep readers on their toes. The book is filled with gorgeous prose, particularly when Joy turns his considerable talents toward descriptions of the natural world." —Atlanta Journal Constitution
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Secrets and lies can’t stay buried forever in Cedar Valley. In the summer, hikers and campers pack the small Colorado town’s meadows and fields. And in the winter, skiers and snowboarders take over the mountains. Season by season, year after year, time passes, and the lies, like the aspens and evergreens that surround the town, take root and spread deep. Now, someone has uncovered the lies, and it is his murder that continues a chain of events that began almost 40 years ago.
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intriguing
- By Anonymous User on 06-26-19
By: Emily Littlejohn
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Widow Town
- By: Joe Hart
- Narrated by: Jay Snyder
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A breakthrough research project has detected an active gene present in all known psychopaths and developed a vaccine to make it completely dormant. Society has rejoiced the extinction of the sociopathic mind. There hasn’t been a serial killing in America in over 40 years. Sheriff MacArthur Gray resides in the future but lives in the past. His world views have chased him from a large metropolis to his home town, but there is no sanctuary to be found after he arrives. Because people are dying and only he can see the truth. A psychopath has somehow survived and is thriving.
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widow Town
- By Michelle on 07-25-19
By: Joe Hart
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June Bug
- By: Chris Fabry
- Narrated by: Chris Fabry
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For as long as she can remember, June Bug and her father have traveled the back roads of the country in their beat-up RV, spending many nights parked at Walmart. One morning, as she walks past the greeter at the front of the store, her eyes are drawn to the pictures of missing children, where she is shocked to see herself. This discovery begins a quest for the truth about her father, the mother he rarely speaks about, and ultimately herself.
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Get Out The Box Of Tissues
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The Current
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In the dead of winter, outside a small Minnesota town, state troopers pull two young women and their car from the icy Black Root River. One is found downriver, drowned, while the other is found at the scene - half-frozen but alive. What happened was no accident, and news of the crime awakens the community's memories of another young woman who lost her life in the same river 10 years earlier and whose killer may still live among them.
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Exceeded my expectations in every way
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Signals: New and Selected Stories
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After the stunning historical novels The Clearing and The Missing, Tim Gautreaux now ranges freely through contemporary life with 12 new stories and eight from previous collections. Most are set in his beloved Louisiana, many hard by or on the Mississippi River, others in North Carolina, and even in midwinter Minnesota. But generally it's heat, humidity, and bugs that beset his people as they wrestle with affairs of the heart, matters of faith, and the pros and cons of tight-knit communities.
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Perfection! Amazing writer/amazing reader
- By Monique on 01-08-19
By: Tim Gautreaux
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Red Gold
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- Narrated by: Richard Poe
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Shaken by the death of his beloved wife and wrestling with powerful personal demons, Professor Gabriel McKenna leaves New York City for New Mexico to claim an inheritance from mysterious distant relatives. He finds something other than a Land of Enchantment. Unseen enemies threaten his life. Old friends turn up and rally to his side. Together they plunge into a lethal struggle for a 19th century treasure, the fabled Lost Adams gold.
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I loved it
- By Gary H on 12-20-17
By: Robert D. Kidera
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Provinces of Night
- By: William Gay
- Narrated by: Dick Hill
- Length: 11 hrs and 29 mins
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E.F. Bloodworth has returned to his home - a forgotten corner of Tennessee - after 20 years of roaming. The wife he walked out on has withered and faded, his three sons are grown and angry. Warren is a womanizing alcoholic, Boyd is driven by jealousy to hunt down his wife's lover, and Brady puts hexes on his enemies from his mamma's porch. Only Fleming, the old man's grandson, treats him with the respect his age commands, and sees past all the hatred to realize the way it can posion a man's soul.
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Story and Narration a perfect match
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Hap Collins looks like a good ol’ boy. But even in his misspent youth, his best pal is Leonard Pine, who is Black, gay, and the ultimate outsider. Inseparable friends, Hap and Leonard climb into the boxing ring, visit their families, get in bar fights, and just go fishing - all the while confronting racists, righting wrongs, and eating a whole lot of delicious food.
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Wringing every last drop
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In Wild Thyme, Pennsylvania, secrets and feuds go back generations. The lone policeman in a small township on the sparse northern border, Henry Farrell expected to spend his mornings hunting and fishing, his evenings playing old-time music. Instead, he has watched the steady encroachment of gas drilling bring new wealth and erode neighborly trust. The drug trade is pushing heroin into the territory. There are outlaws cooking meth in the woods, guys Henry grew up with. When a stranger turns up dead, Henry’s search for the killer will open old wounds.
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Authentic background, excellent narration.
- By Patricia McKinney on 03-11-15
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All These Bodies
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Summer 1958. A gruesome killer plagues the Midwest, leaving behind a trail of bodies completely drained of blood. Michael Jensen, an aspiring journalist whose father happens to be the town sheriff, never imagined that the Bloodless Murders would come to his backyard. Not until the night the Carlson family was found murdered in their home. Marie Catherine Hale, a diminutive 15-year-old, was discovered at the scene — covered in blood. She is the sole suspect in custody.
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Superb
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The Man in the Crooked Hat
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Private investigator Jack Pellum has spent two years searching for the man he believes murdered his wife - a man he last saw wearing a peacoat and a fedora. Months of posting flyers and combing through crime records yields no leads. Then a local writer commits suicide, and he leaves a bewildering message that may be the first breadcrumb in a winding trail of unsolved murders....
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Crazy Glue'd Me To Story
- By Ted on 01-11-18
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The Last Dead Girl
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On a rainy night in April, a chance encounter on a lonely road draws David into a romance with Jana Fletcher, a beautiful young law student. Jana is an enigma: living in a run-down apartment and sporting a bruise on her cheek that she refuses to explain. David would like to know her secrets, but he lets them lie-until it's too late. When Jana is brutally murdered, the police consider David a prime suspect.
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A great, dark read, appropriate reader too.
- By Karen on 05-01-14
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A False Dawn
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Before the death of his wife, Sean O'Brien makes a promise to her that he has no plans to break - until he starts building a new life in an old cabin on a remote stretch of a tropical river in the heart of Florida. It's there that he discovers an injured young woman who whispers a cryptic message into his ear.
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Wonderful first novel in the Sean O'Brien series
- By Wayne on 05-07-17
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House of Sand and Fog
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In this riveting novel of almost unbearable suspense, three fragile yet determined people become dangerously entangled in a relentlessly escalating crisis. Colonel Behrani, once a wealthy man in Iran, is now a struggling immigrant willing to bet everything he has to restore his family's dignity. Kathy Nicolo is a troubled young woman whose house is all she has left, and who refuses to let her hard-won stability slip away from her. Sheriff Lester Burdon becomes obsessed with helping her fight for justice.
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I suspect I am going to be in the minority . . .
- By BogKid on 01-12-04
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- T
- 11-09-23
Good book
I liked this book - the story & the characters are dynamic and interesting, as they always are with David Joy's writing.
Macleod Andrews narration brings this book and its characters to life in a way that is hard to explain. He could bring depth and profundity to a buzzfeed listicle.
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- Sandra G
- 09-12-23
Amazing
This is an outstanding book. The writing is authentic and true, just like the characters. Hopefully this author will receive the recognition he deserves. A fiction writer myself I can be tough to please but for me, this book hit the sweet spot between excellent literature and chair-gripping suspense.
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- Getshotzi
- 09-28-23
Joy does it AGAIN
David Joy is a one in a lifetime talent who did something few could actually pull off, and he does it with gut wreching sincerity. All of his books leave me wondering how much he has left to give us. I want more from this author. Read any of his novels and you'll want more, too. Kudos to the narrator, as well, Fair warning: This book might make you confront some ugly truths about the people you think you've always known.
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- john cummins
- 09-06-23
Excellent listen!
I grew up in the south but this was still eye opening and thought provoking for sure. Highly recommend
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- Maryanne T.
- 08-14-23
Powerhouse of a Story!
5 stars for this surprising powerhouse of a story by David Joy. This story is told so authentically and with such subtle insight you are drawn in deep before you even realize it. I love the voice in this story of conflict - between race and age and history and the future and awareness and acceptance and forgiveness and moving forward. I cannot say enough good things about this book. The characters were complex and ugly and sad and pitiful and raging and ignorant and hopeful. I loved that Joy gave a voice to the culture of the Appalachia as well. A tragedy on so many levels but so gorgeously told. And there are more than one moments where you will be shaking your head and saying, "Holy crap!" Really recommend. David Joy is right up there with S. A. Cosby in the poetic way they tell stories of racism. Really well done!
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- Jackie
- 10-30-23
Fabulous Book
This is my first book by David Joy, so I really had no expectations. I loved everything about this book. I highly recommend it. You won’t be able to put it down.
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- David
- 10-10-24
A novel that will leave you with questions
A young artist, Toya Gardner, returns to her ancestral home in rural NC to complete her thesis, a piece that ties her to her ancestors, mother, to daughter, grandmother to mother, back through time.
A drifter is found sleeping in a station wagon with a notebook full of local names, and a white KKK hood.
One after the other local officers of the law find that their community, and their own beliefs, are not what they seemed. History unfolds, drawing them together, and driving them apart. A death, and a beating open deep wounds.
Those We Thought We Knew is a novel that will dig into your mind and dredge up questions you might not have realized you needed answers to. Questions it shouldn't take death and hatred to bring to light, or a lifetime to answer.
This was performed by MacLeod Andrews. His presentation was dead on, voicing characters across a spectrum of deep accents, genders and emotion.
Highly recommended
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- Amazon Customer
- 08-11-23
D. Joy swings a metaphorical folded metal chair
I love the way David Joy nails the everyday life of real people living in every small community across America; just like the one I live in. How good and not so good people exists in their drug, crime, abusive, and poverty stricken environments. Each character reminds me of someone I have worked with professionally as a Child Abuse and Neglect Investigator or personally from my experiences living in a small town. This book is no different. And because of David Joy's authentic approach to his stories, he should be the one to tell the story of what racism, white privilege, and white fragility looks like in a small town because 99% of white people in a small town don't get it!
It is hard to be a white person in a small town and talk to other white people who think racism is an old term Southern term or only exists in big cities. It is even harder to introduce newer terms like white fragility and white privilege. My hope is that the way David Joy approaches this issue, this book will make its way into the hands of small town white folks who think because they wear a badge they are colorblind or because they have a life long black friend they are incapable of making racist remarks.Personally, I put this book in the same class as To Kill A Mockingbird.
This book is in my top 3 favorite books of all time and my top favorite book of 2023! I will read this again and again and recommend over and over. Maybe even send it anonymously to a few folks.
Bravo! Bravo David Joy!
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- priest
- 08-08-23
An Extraordinary Listening Challenge
David Joy has written a thoughtful and intriguingly book suspenseful book that also explores a challenging topic (Spoiler Alert racial issues) in a non threatening/non preachy way. The two main protagonists must confront the impact of the death of a strong character in the story on their lives. The beauty of this story involves the many twists and surprises contained in the audiobook. The characters in the story are well formed and the suspense and character resolve is amazing. Macleod Andrews does a masterful job as narrator and really brings the story to life. I think we all have purchased an audiobook we wished we had not; this audiobook is not such a purchase. You will be thankful that you purchased Those We Thought We Knew. You should give yourself this gift.
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- Anonymous User
- 10-25-23
One of the best authors out today
I recommend this ,and every David Joy book out there, to everyone. He is an amazing writer and I can’t wait for his next book to come out.
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